HNMLS "Pointsystem" NA's Viewpoint on this please.

[Bilus]

Hello everyone
first of all id like too excuse for my poor english

I want too see NA communitys viewpoint on this "pointsystem"
as i understand most "public" HNMLS use this system,
please discuss if this system is fair or not , and please state why.

also if possible please tell me a more "fair" system. (getting-lot-sell-too-AH-split-even-among-all-whom participated system wont work in this case)

ok this is how it works as i understand.

HNMLS Kills X HNM = X HNM drops - Y Abjuration (just example , it can be anything)


MR.A & MR.B wants Y Abjuration

MR.A have participated in 35 HNM Battles

MR.B have participated in 20 HNM battles


for each HNM battle a member participated in he/she gets 1 pts

once member have 20 pts he/she can bid on Y Abjuration (or if there is any other items avaible)

now as we know MR.A & MR.B wants Y abjuration item.

of course MR.A gets it first because he have 35 pts and next time Y Abjuration drops MR.B claims it.

Once MR.A get hes item, hes pts resets too 0

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this system is very unfair, but it have worked in JPN for years and years. and it works.


I am trying too develope a similar system. feel free too share ideas.
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Please no flames, and stick too topic.

discuss below.

Thanks

//Bilus

[Hisdon]

I know IK (the HNMLS I want into on my server >_>') will get everyone who wants a drop off a NM the item before they start selling them. For example, they got 4 of the furs Amement's Mantel is made of a while ago, those 4 mantels will go to 4 melee in the LS, not the AH

[Bilus]

yes thats fair, but it will be hard when you have 20+ members. i dont see how that will work,

[Lan'Urk]

As for abjucation items... i think the most fair way to carry it out would be, all ppl that are interested lot for it...(( for example if drops the paper for the PLD armor, all the PLDs interested bid for it, but all the WHMs pass on it)) I think that would be quite fair since its random chance to everyone whos working on that specific HNM battle not based on overall participation... now you ask: but what about those members who participate a lot, why should they still hold the same chances as someone who rarely does? well simple enough, the more you do it the more chances you get to get that certain paper. i think this type of thing should be based upon participation on specific battle not overall participation... But the more you particitpate the higher chances you have to getting the certain item.

As for items dropped... i dont know, probably lot as well. would be more realistic... but as the most fair would be sell the item and divide the profit among all the member who participated... but thats really hard to manage, and almost unrealistic.

well thats my opinion on this... probably not very down to earth, but it isnt wrong to dream im not yet in a HNM LS, but I hope to join/make one in the near future... just need to lvl up some more

~Lanurk

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Bilus
yes thats fair, but it will be hard when you have 20+ members. i dont see how that will work,

they do have over 20 members, easly. It works cause they are able to compete with the JP LS's and do win those NM's =3

[Sindinista]

Makes you think about all these people with so much uber armor, were they involved in like every single battle too get so much points? XD This systems seems like it worked pretty well. I also remember a while back with one of the HNMLS on Rag they used a sort of GP system where stuff like claiming the NM, participating, etc. would build you GP points which were worth a certain amount of gils.

[StarRealms]

Many EQ guilds used a point based system to award item drops, and I bet this is one organizational tool that can carry straight over to FFXI. Often called a DKP system over in EQ. If you want to learn more about this someone else could explain or I'm sure you could find more information on the internet (all DKP systems ahve different tweaks though)

[Bilus]

Originally posted by StarRealms
Many EQ guilds used a point based system to award item drops, and I bet this is one organizational tool that can carry straight over to FFXI. Often called a DKP system over in EQ. If you want to learn more about this someone else could explain or I'm sure you could find more information on the internet (all DKP systems ahve different tweaks though)

wow, thanks i made a google search, very intressting. im looking at one now, and this will surely work if i modify it a bit.

thank you very much

[Deodorant]

Re: HNMLS "Pointsystem" NA's Viewpoint on this please.

Originally posted by Bilus
for each HNM battle a member participated in he/she gets 1 pts
once member have 20 pts he/she can bid on Y Abjuration (or if there is any other items avaible)

Mmmmm ... have to fight 20 hnm battles just to qualify to get some of the items? Sounds pretty damn hardcore :sweat:

[Bilus]

Re: Re: HNMLS "Pointsystem" NA's Viewpoint on this please.

Originally posted by Deodorant

Mmmmm ... have to fight 20 hnm battles just to qualify to get some of the items? Sounds pretty damn hardcore :sweat:

good ls with dedicated people can claim around 1-6 nm's per day,of course there is alot of competition out there, bad days where no nm's claimed at all or good days :>,so getting 20 pts isnt an big issue

[Razz]

My HNM LS just splits the money made from the HNM to everyone that participated. Can't see it getting any fairer than that.

[pierrot]

I'd never join a HNMLS again without that system, that's just the best option to be fair and all.

Everything else won't satisfy the greed in me.

[Lone Dragon]

I was sorta again't the idea at first, but it doesn't seem that bad if you fight HNMs often enough.


*whistles* vvvvvvvv *coughsigcough*

[joey_pizz]

One thing that keeps HNM LS's running is the trust and hope that eventually you will get something, you just have to participate and be patient.