Just out of pure curiosity for you long-time players. [Regarding nerfs]

[Cedric]

Originally posted by TheMidg
Ga spells used to do a lot of damage to multiple enemies, now the more monsters you cast it on, the last damage it does.

You mean, ga spells used to do shit damage.

[peacemaker]

Genkai 3 ??? used to be placed right in front of NM's and needed alliances to finish, now they are moved to some far off corner where a level 1 using oil/powder can just walk in solo and touch.

And has Kamaluut been nerfed as well? First few times we fought him around 68-69 he anniliated our PT again and again before we finally won, helped friend to fight him again after patch at 71-72 and it was like beating on a piece of rotten tofu.

Thank you SEX for making us go through hell and then laying in a red carpet for the new players. What's next? Cheat codes for the NA version?

[Jonnyram]

The THF "nerf" (actually bugfix) was nothing compared to BST. Anyone remember when people used to sub BST? Doesn't happen so much now, does it.

For those who weren't around at the time, a BST support job used to allow you to tame monsters up to your main job's level. When people started hijacking the BC40 fights using this method, they nerfed it so as a support job the taming level was halved too. Unfortunately the BC hijack continued because everyone just levelled BST to 40 instead, meanwhile BST became probably the most useless subjob in the game.

[Celeras]

Classic FFXI > Current FFXI

[Russta]

Originally posted by Jonnyram
The THF "nerf" (actually bugfix)...

I still don't believe Yokodama was a bug.

[Deedlit]

Thank you SEX for making us go through hell and then laying in a red carpet for the new players. What's next? Cheat codes for the NA version?

Right. Sounds to me like you guys had it much easier back then than we did when we started.

[Cedric]

Originally posted by Deedlit


Right. Sounds to me like you guys had it much easier back then than we did when we started.

Read his whole post, jackass.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Cedric


Read his whole post, jackass.

But Ced, if he does that, then he looks like a dumbass!

....oh

[Deedlit]

Originally posted by Cedric


Read his whole post, jackass.

I did. I also read the rest of the thread, which shows how people had a LOT of things much easier back then. From what I see, as a whole things have only gotten harder.

BTW, this is a she. Jackass.

[Veskar]

Originally posted by Deedlit

Right. Sounds to me like you guys had it much easier back then than we did when we started.

Yeah thats cute

[Deedlit]

So you're gonna tell me that...

yokodama

a change for PLDs...one of the first big changes I remember was with the TP system sometime in fall 2002. Before then you got 5 TP each time you landed a hit (any weapon, any delay) and 10 TP anytime you got hit. Since I am an elvaan PLD my hit rate has always been poor but I was able to keep up with the melees for renkei due to the amount of TP I got just by tanking...after

brd ballad... mp regen from it basically cut in half

Old TP system was great... the amount of TP you got back from a WS was based on damage, not the amount of hits you got in. You could get 100% TP, pull 10ish enemies, and endlessly spam your -ga WS... i miss that.

I was told Holy used to have an even faster casting time and longer range, but was changed before I started (Nov 2002). Also heard Blms used to be alot more stronger and were able to easily solo to lv18ish.

I miss the times when Bard's Ballads refreshed alot more MP, Ballad+BalladII = unlimited MP and non-stop chains. 5-chain, 5-chain, 5-chain, 5-chain...

Poison and Bio used to be MUCH stronger and BLMs could solo a lot easier with those two DOTs.

When the game first came out, food use to last so long..

another nice nerf was skill up rate..weapons were much easier to skill up before

Ooh yeah, used to be able to stack sneak and invisi on yourself and PT members without having to cancel or wait for the wearing off warning messages.

Going into moghouse used to be able to reset 2 hour timers. Last battle of a level up PT, everyone used theirs for kicks.

i remember trick attack used to give damage bonus when THF was sub. now it doesn't.

Also no tax in Jeuno for bazar. AH tax was also the same in Jeuno as the other 3 nations.

...didn't make life easier for people back then? I'd take all that again and give up having comments and region info any day.

[Veskar]

let's see:
no teleports
mobs could get you on chobi
avatars way too expensive to cast
no one could solo avatars for you
no region search
no comments
pay nomad moogles
lower population
weak -ga spells
mog house kicked you out of pt

may not have been exactly harder, but its sure wasnt any easier...

[Deedlit]

mobs could get you on chobi

Did they actually agro, or did you just have to move out of the way of other PTs fighting AoE mobs?

I also thought that most avatars didn't come till the zilart expansion anyway, least that's what people on my server told me. If that's the case, most people were high enough already to put together decent PTs with their mains.

As for one good change....supply quests. Who needs ports anymore =P

[Cedric]

Ba-spells used to have about zero effect at all on anything. Summon fights didn't take 3 and a half seconds and you didn't get dealt like 5 damage from en-spells from the primes.

[Cedric]

Originally posted by Deedlit
So you're gonna tell me that...



...didn't make life easier for people back then? I'd take all that again and give up having comments and region info any day.

Ballad 2 only did mega mp boost for a limited time, since its high level requirement and the fact that it was nerfed pretty quick. Most people never got to play around with that cool bonus mp. Red mages had no refresh and there was no convert. Basically, bards were all there was to keep downtime low, and it's not like there was 500 bards. Oh wait, sitting in jeuno for a whole day waiting for pt to find none? Yeah, exactly.

Most the eq that seems common place used to be rare as hell, there weren't 8 trillion people to supply everyone with the best gear.

Don't forget we didn't have people playing the game for the past 2 years to tell everyone about every possible thing in the game. We were all learning, hell, just about the same renkei was used from level 10-30, a varying red lotus/konbo combo[D;/]

try soloing a mithra theif with no sub or food. That was like trying to eat through a cement wall. /slap ana

Originally posted by Deedlit
BTW, this is a she. Jackass.

And...?