PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

640px × 360px is large?

When we're not in the Off-Topic forum AND you're off-topic AND some people read forums on their smartphones? Yes.


Icemage

[Squiggs]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

and obnoxious.

[Firewind]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

^ Just. NO. Leave it in the pony thread, or if you must post wtflarge images, at least spoiler them. I'm not going to say it again.


Icemage

640px × 360px is large?

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

ITT: Aeni hates watching political debates and all that crap.

At least not the Republican Primary debates.

[Raydeus]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I'd hate to see that any kind of discussion where we have two sides to it automatically is flagged as a "fight".

ITT: Aeni hates watching political debates and all that crap.

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I don't see this as an argument at all. It's just me and Icemage having a discussion regarding the future (arguably, we're both speculating, where Icemage has some experience with the industry as a game developer and I am just going by news and editorials from news sources and the industry wires)

I'd hate to see that any kind of discussion where we have two sides to it automatically is flagged as a "fight".

[Raydeus]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

...or if you must post wtflarge images, at least spoiler them.

^ This.

I was going to thank you but I didn't want to break your 777. So thanks.

[Takelli]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I think we need a Ponyholics Anonomous thread...

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

^ Just. NO. Leave it in the pony thread, or if you must post wtflarge images, at least spoiler them. I'm not going to say it again.


Icemage

[Firewind]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I tried my best to not post a pony image macro outside the ponythread but I found it impossible to do so. So here it is:

Brony image

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

You still don't get it. Sony and Microsoft are already working on their next generation designs, and they already have their own plans. Are they keeping an eye on what Nintendo are doing? Of course. But your assumption that they're going to drop everything and play follow the leader if Nintendo somehow manages to catch some lightning in a bottle with the Wii U is ridiculous.

Microsoft already has a competing technology in Kinect, and they're much better off developing a stronger iteration with better framerate and accuracy than going with Nintendo's tablet idea. They don't need a tablet - you can hold a controller in your hand and gesture with the other hand, or talk, or turn your hand, to use Kinect already.

Sony has less invested in that arena (PS Move), but they're much bigger believers in comfortable gaming being the keystone to success with the hardcore. I might expect Sony to ship the PS4 with a standard PS Eye or some variant thereof (and like MS Kinect, probably with better resolution and/or framerate), but dropping everything just to create a touchpad controller? That's rank insanity. Sony does a lot of stupid things, but that's higher levels of stupid than is plausible.

I agree that my statement of Microsoft and Sony just stopping on a dime is hyperbole at best, so I apologize. But that doesn't mean that they aren't likely to change or adapt their development to address the possiblity that they will end up repeating this current "console war" if they do nothing. It is to their detriment to just observe Nintendo but not react at all. Given the current economic climate and the problems facing the European Union and the United States, it would be in their best interest to make sure that they consolidate their position in the console market. Why is it a big deal? Well, computer and video games are eclipsing the traditional entertainment industries and with that kind of huge financial incentive, I doubt ANYONE is going to dismiss any slight advantages a device will have over another. The market is a tricky thing, the customers are fickle and I get all that. But I'm sure this isn't lost upon whatever is in the works for Microsoft and Sony.

I really want to see all of them succeed because competition (not collusion like you will find in our domestic cellphone carriers) breeds innovation and produces a healthy economy for the industry. But marginalizing the industry and being indifferent about your competitor in the hopes of carving a territory is not just financially immoral, but it is also a questionable business tactic.

You can get a blatant flavor in the tropism presented in Hyperdimension Neptunia for that perspective is you want it in another form.

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Microsoft didn't scrap Surface. Not sure where you heard that from.

Microsoft's table-sized tablet Surfaces for pre-order

Microsoft can do all the grandstanding they like about Surface, but the original intent was much more of a consumer item than what masquerades as Surface today. At a price tag in the multi-thousands, it's no longer an iPad-like device.

Also, you don't think that Sony or Microsoft will see the potential to address a "tethered" problem with Bluetooth technology? Fragile? That's Nintendo's take on what it should be like. Not sure why Nintendo thought that was the only approach. Tablets are ubiquitous as microwave ovens now.

I honestly don't know what Nintendo was thinking with the Wii U controller. It's not an iPad, it's not a standard controller, and it has many of the worst features of both.

LeapFrog LeapPad: A Durable Child-Friendly Learning Tablet for Kids from LeapFrog

You could find a happy place inbetween those two extremes.

Amazon.com showed everyone you don't have to toe the Google line and showed that forking the Android and making it your very own without stuffing Market and everything else into your device is a viable system. Again, we don't know what Sony and Microsoft is developing, but it's not going to be how Nintendo is doing it and I'm sure they're analyzing everything that Nintendo is doing and trying to "stem" the advantage they have. But "rushing" a new console out the door in less than 2 years from now isn't the answer.

You still don't get it. Sony and Microsoft are already working on their next generation designs, and they already have their own plans. Are they keeping an eye on what Nintendo are doing? Of course. But your assumption that they're going to drop everything and play follow the leader if Nintendo somehow manages to catch some lightning in a bottle with the Wii U is ridiculous.

Microsoft already has a competing technology in Kinect, and they're much better off developing a stronger iteration with better framerate and accuracy than going with Nintendo's tablet idea. They don't need a tablet - you can hold a controller in your hand and gesture with the other hand, or talk, or turn your hand, to use Kinect already.

Sony has less invested in that arena (PS Move), but they're much bigger believers in comfortable gaming being the keystone to success with the hardcore. I might expect Sony to ship the PS4 with a standard PS Eye or some variant thereof (and like MS Kinect, probably with better resolution and/or framerate), but dropping everything just to create a touchpad controller? That's rank insanity. Sony does a lot of stupid things, but that's higher levels of stupid than is plausible.

I find Nintendo's recent steps to mirror Sega's Dreamcast. The difference is that Sega had to bet the farm while Nintendo is arguably in a much better position.

Nintendo's not betting the farm mainly because they made a stupendous amount of money cashing in on the casual market with the Wii. What's not clear is how they're going to get back in the good graces of the people they've turned their backs on in the past five years (and by this I mean both high-volume game buyers as well as 3rd party developer/publishers).


Icemage

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

... you can't seriously believe any of that, can you?

You think either Microsoft or Sony care about the Wii U's tethered-to-15-feet-from-the-console touchpad? If Microsoft had cared, they wouldn't have scrapped development on Surface. Sony's PSVita is already a more portable answer. The whole value of having a tablet is that you can take it with you and do things with it; the Wii U's controller pad doesn't cover that base.

I'm pretty sure neither Sony nor Microsoft are going to market a fragile $100 controller peripheral. Kinect "sort of" gets away with it because it isn't touched by the user.

I've no idea what Sony's doing with Ericsson, but whatever it is will probably flop like a whale because Sony doesn't understand the mobile phone space at all. The only thing they could do with it at this point is go hook up with Google and make a PSN-friendly variant of Android, but doing that would take more intelligence than I give Sony credit for.


Icemage

Microsoft didn't scrap Surface. Not sure where you heard that from.

Microsoft's table-sized tablet Surfaces for pre-order

Also, you don't think that Sony or Microsoft will see the potential to address a "tethered" problem with Bluetooth technology? Fragile? That's Nintendo's take on what it should be like. Not sure why Nintendo thought that was the only approach. Tablets are ubiquitous as microwave ovens now.

LeapFrog LeapPad: A Durable Child-Friendly Learning Tablet for Kids from LeapFrog

You could find a happy place inbetween those two extremes.

Amazon.com showed everyone you don't have to toe the Google line and showed that forking the Android and making it your very own without stuffing Market and everything else into your device is a viable system. Again, we don't know what Sony and Microsoft is developing, but it's not going to be how Nintendo is doing it and I'm sure they're analyzing everything that Nintendo is doing and trying to "stem" the advantage they have. But "rushing" a new console out the door in less than 2 years from now isn't the answer.

I find Nintendo's recent steps to mirror Sega's Dreamcast. The difference is that Sega had to bet the farm while Nintendo is arguably in a much better position.

[Icemage]

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I assume such because you - much like Malacite - represent gamers that are part of the problem. You encourage developers to keep giving you less and less by giving the ones taking content away your money while believing their bullshit.

Sorry, you can't just go and rail on Capcom, Activision and NIS and turn a blind eye to what Bioware and Naughty Dog pull - "complete" or not. Its hypocritical at best and ignorant at its worst.

Again, this isn't what gaming was in prior generations and I think if you ask most people, they'd tell you the piecemealing of content is not change for the better.

Games like Skyrim and Skyward Sword are more and more a rarity than ever. Upwards of five years of hard work and dedication poured into these games that, when finished, don't feel like they needed anything else.

THAT is complete in my mind. And if that's fantasy for you, well, your "reality" sucks to be quite honest.

You must remember a different "gaming in prior generations" than I do, because what we have today is the same old, same old. The methods change, but the goals remain the same. "Some" developers focus on making a complete package and selling it. Others skate by with as little as they can get away with and try to sell you something else later. And sometimes things just don't fit into a single game.

Do you consider the last two Harry Potter films to be "complete"? Those were sourced fromn one book, but they decided to make two films. By your definition, that's a reprehensible cash-in because how DARE they tell only half of a story in a film.

Your problem is you think "planning for DLC" automatically means "let's rip critical things out of the game so we can sell it later" and sell it to people.

News flash: Not every (nor most) DLC is "critical" to the overall game it modifies. The only exceptions I can think of offhand are the Prince of Persia 2008 Epilogue DLC, the virtually-required-to-complete-a-season extra golf courses in Tiger Woods '11, and maaaybe the "missing" missions in Assassin's Creed II. Most DLC falls into the category of "supplemental" additions. Smaller expansions to a story side plotline, additional options or items to increase the quality of gameplay, and other things which don't take away from the core experience if they happen to be absent.

As for the whole reality thing, maybe in some strange universe where you think you live in, Nintendo exists in a vacuum and having them take a stand against DLC will somehow have a beneficial effect for someone, but in the real world where the rest of us live, those 3rd party publishers who are going to create supplemental DLC are still going to create it, they just won't release it on Nintendo's platform. It's not going to stop it from being made, and it's not going to do anything except drive people (and more importantly, money) away from Nintendo.

But hey, you can keep thinking it's some sort of virtuous philosophical crusade by Nintendo. Just don't try to convince the rest of us that it's anything but a pipedream.

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what ever happened to "games make the system"

I dont really care about all the hardware stuff, or what the new controller of the decade is......

as long as Nintendo gives me my next Mario/Zelda/Metroid/pokemon/smash bros, and continues to improve on their own previous console, then I don't care how it stacks up to the others, I will own them as well so why would it matter.

The only thing that I hope Nintendo really works on/ fixes, is their online, other then that I am happy with the way the Wii U is turning out.

Games only make a system if they're exclusive, and they can BREAK a system if they're exclusive to other consoles. Look at the Wii for a perfect example. It rose on the strength and quality of Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and the rest of the 1st party Nintendo franchises, plus a tiny helping hand from more casual-centric games like Just Dance.

On the flip side, the whole reason the Wii is floundering so badly now is because it's NOT getting all the things core gamers care about now (see: every PS360 game released this winter, which is to say all but a handful of games).


Icemage

[Kailea]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

what ever happened to "games make the system"

I dont really care about all the hardware stuff, or what the new controller of the decade is......

as long as Nintendo gives me my next Mario/Zelda/Metroid/pokemon/smash bros, and continues to improve on their own previous console, then I don't care how it stacks up to the others, I will own them as well so why would it matter.

The only thing that I hope Nintendo really works on/ fixes, is their online, other then that I am happy with the way the Wii U is turning out.