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[Murphie]

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It's not really that simple. You're kind of doing a lot of glossing over the subtler aspects, and actively refusing to give any explanations or details. You're just making vague statements and accusing others of not getting it.

EDIT: I'm definitely of the opinion that animated sexualized children are victimless (whatever the medium), but I do worry that it sets a dangerous precedent or encourages a dangerous line of thought.

[Taskmage]

Re: Neptunia MKII The sequel!!!! Keiji Inafune teams up with Compile Heart! Neptune

It's not really that simple. You're kind of doing a lot of glossing over the subtler aspects, and actively refusing to give any explanations or details. You're just making vague statements and accusing others of not getting it.

EDIT: I'm definitely of the opinion that animated sexualized children are victimless (whatever the medium), but I do worry that it sets a dangerous precedent or encourages a dangerous line of thought.

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[Raydeus]

Re: Neptunia MKII The sequel!!!! Keiji Inafune teams up with Compile Heart! Neptune

There is one grain of sense in Raydeus's argument that I think is worth supporting. The reasoning that "This drawing of an underage girl looks sexual to me, therefore the artist sexualized this underage girl" does not necessarily follow.

Exactly.



There indeed animes that go too far and are catered to a certain niche, but the vast majority of it is not in any way made with the intention of sexualizing underage girls. And simply about having cute and/or moe characters in a rather innocent way, which has no cultural equivalent in countries like the US and is thus easily misunderstood.



Edit > And that's not even counting about how relative the term "underage" is.

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EDIT: I'm definitely of the opinion that animated sexualized children are victimless (whatever the medium), but I do worry that it sets a dangerous precedent or encourages a dangerous line of thought.

That's the same argument they were using when they blamed GTA for encouraging "kids" to steal and murder.

Just saying.

[Murphie]

Re: Neptunia MKII The sequel!!!! Keiji Inafune teams up with Compile Heart! Neptune

There's a huge difference. Playing a game in which the mechanics of said game involve killing and stealing does not necessarily incline one to try this in real life.

Encouraging someone to think about young girls (or boys) as sexual beings DOES, however have the potential to transfer into everyday thinking. Of course, it also has the potential to lead to misguided assumptions about female beauty or unrealistic standards of feminine behavior. As evidenced by many people out there.

Getting points in a game is something you do in a game. Getting off on something is something you do in real life.

[Armando]

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That's the same argument they were using when they blamed GTA for encouraging "kids" to steal and murder.

Yes, but there's a pretty big disconnect between sexual desires and murder. Sane people don't finish a video game session and start to fantasize about murdering someone. They also don't venture out into society and wonder what it would be like to murder the person next to them. Sexual fantasies/desires, on the other hand, CAN get stronger if you feed them with fap material.

Edit: Murphie beat me to it.

[Kailea]

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Sexual fantasies/desires, on the other hand, CAN get stronger if you feed them with fap material.

So can the murder thing, I see things like this game here, and just say to myself "oh those Japanese sure are crazy ;p" I also play some of these games, Once I find a copy I really want to play the first Hyperdimension, and I am glad they brought it over to the US, it looks like a really fun RPG.

Lets see...another "odd" game I want to try is the GalGun for 360, it looks odd, and something I could get a few laughs out of.

[Armando]

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So can the murder thing,

If you're fucked up in the head, yeah. But again, lust and sexual impulses are things all people have, not just the mentally unstable.

[Feba]

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Encouraging someone to think about young girls (or boys) as sexual beings DOES, however have the potential to transfer into everyday thinking.

Honestly, I think a lot of cultural ills are caused by the refusal to see youngsters as sexual beings, at least in America. The whole "but they're kids!" argument against sex-ed, availability of birth control and health programs in that vein has caused us from preventing a lot of STDs, teen pregnancies, and deaths and illness resulting from those. And then there's the less major side effects, like damage to computer systems caused by "innocent" boys and girls surfing infected pron sites without knowing any better.

The problem is when you don't represent kids as sexual beings, but sexual targets. Words matter!

/also, I am dak

[Murphie]

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Well, that distinction is indeed important. Understanding that children and teens are sexual beings and have feelings is a world away from sexualizing them or fantasizing about them.

[Aeni]

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Because obviously the rest of the world should comply with US moral regulations and standards, right?

I don't know about you but you should seriously consider seeing a psychiatrist since it's not a "American" moral argument as this is a "human" moral argument.

And now yakuza are the good guys, yep, whatever helps the cause.

Never said the yakuza was the good guys but they view pedophiles as fucked up. At least they have a shred of human dignity.

(If you want to read up on yakuza you can check here: Amazon.com: Tokyo Vice: An American Reporter on the Police Beat in Japan (9780307378798): Jake Adelstein: Books There's an old saying about "not all thieves are the same" and that's probably true with just about anything in life ... and mind you, the police is every bit as bad as the organized criminals they were hired to take down)

[Raydeus]

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Well, that distinction is indeed important. Understanding that children and teens are sexual beings and have feelings is a world away from sexualizing them or fantasizing about them.

But you are assuming everyone playing these games are fantasizing about the characters in a sexual way. That is not the case at all.

Just the same way most people playing a GTA game are not fantasizing about killing someone in the real nor do they want to turn to a criminal life because of it.

If they are (in both cases) that goes well beyond the scope of what these games or anime could ever do.





Also, what Feba said.

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/also, I am dak

I had forgotten about that. XD

[DakAttack]

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Nobody else wonders what it would be like to murder somebody, from time to time? brb, seeing psychiatrist...

And thank you, Feba, for thinking about the computers.

[Kailea]

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This is nothing more then a cultural difference, I still don't see why people get all crazy about it.

You know.... "inocent" kid my ass..... I know a 15 year old girl, who is more sexual and perverted then alot of my male friends........ yeah inocent.

[DakAttack]

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This is nothing more then a cultural difference, I still don't see why people get all crazy about it.

You know.... "inocent" kid my ass..... I know a 15 year old girl, who is more sexual and perverted then alot of my male friends........ yeah inocent.

Pedophilia concerns pre-pubescent children, not teenagers. A teenager's brain is wired to take risks and ignore consequences. They need a heavy hand to keep them in line.

At some point morality transcends cultural differences. Did you know Afghanistan is the pedophilia capital of the world? It's cultural, there, that women are unclean, but little boys are totally ok for older men to become sexual with. That doesn't make it right. It's not right that they shun women, who they blame for any and every urge of lust they have, yet they can express that lust with children. They're completely ass-backwards, over there.

[Kailea]

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At some point morality transcends cultural differences. Did you know Afghanistan is the pedophilia capital of the world? It's cultural, there, that women are unclean, but little boys are totally ok for older men to become sexual with. That doesn't make it right. It's not right that they shun women, who they blame for any and every urge of lust they have, yet they can express that lust with children. They're completely ass-backwards, over there.
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Do I think that is a bit messed up? Yes, do I think that is is wrong? Yes, but again cultural differences, it is not my culture, it is theirs.