Cataclysm

[DakAttack]

Re: Cataclysm

It should be easy to pimp her out in blues. If you don't have a lot of crowd control abilities and spells, yet, then choose targets that an ally is already picking on. They'll have to decide who to attack, and if you've put some distance between the two of you then they probably wont choose you.

[Aksannyi]

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Don't have a lot of that stuff yet. I'll try her again at 39 and see what I can come up with. Might even grab her some BoA gear since she was so squishy.

[DakAttack]

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Hunters are one of the easiest classes to play in PvP. All you have to do is keep your target at a distance. Ice traps, Intimidation, Concussive Shot, Hamstring, Disengage, etc.

[Aksannyi]

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^ I did indeed get 85 on Saturday, as well as Loremaster of Northrend and the "Chef" title. A good Christmas for my undead.

As I had said earlier, I really wanted to get into some BGs at 85 and get back into beating the crap out of Alliance (especially NE Druids, fuck those guys), so I did that. I thought I'd be just utterly demolished because I didn't have any of the current PvP stuff but I didn't do all that bad. Of course, I was running with about 101k health, and others had about 120k at the most, so in comparison to 30k vs. 22k, it's not such a big difference. Also, I apparently don't suck that bad, because I was really owning a bunch of SPriests this weekend.

I did take my little hunter into an AB this weekend (at 29, she's now 30) and now she got obliterated. I don't even have the slightest idea what hunters do in PvP to stay alive. Will have to research that and try again. It felt good being back on my Priest in PvP because I have a general sense of what I can do in different situations.

Oh, and conquest points suck. Because I'm not sure I'm up for attempting to be a part of an arena team, and my guild doesn't seem to want to do rated BGs yet. So I guess I'm going to be sticking with the honor blues for now. Since in order to get 2200 CP to get one item, it will take me 88 straight days of winning at least one BG per day. x.x

So weird that as someone who never had any interest in PvP ever (never even touched Ballista), I'm finding PvP to be more fun than PvE lately. Maybe after I get geared up I will seek an arena team and see if I can't melt some faces. Lol.

[Aksannyi]

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I think I'm going to ding 85 tomorrow. That'll be my Christmas gift to myself.

[Aksannyi]

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Yeah. And that's really all it is. That and knowing which classes have which abilities also makes a huge difference. I'm still pretty much a nub there. Lol.

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Ahh, corpse run, that's more like it. Feel like a zombie anyway.

[Firewind]

Re: Cataclysm

To be fair in PvP, making yourself an easy target is just asking for it and any class will take the free kill so don't feel bad.

You do have an advantage though: intimidation. Shadow Priests are very powerful in PvP and from the sound of it, you just need some practise. Not only do they look intimidating but people will be cautious when approaching you due to the class being very powerful. I know that I tend to approach any fight with a Shadow priest like I'm about to go pop on a Plate wearer. I've actually seen a full group of 6 turn and RUN at the sight of a Shadow Priest before .

Honestly just practise and work towards getting your PvP gear and you will have people running in fear from your Shadow powers in no time.

[Aksannyi]

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It doesn't help that Horde doesn't really enjoy working together in a lot of cases. I often end up alone in BGs for some length of time.

I was really proud of myself for solo taking someone else once, though. I can't remember what class he was, but he didn't have that much health so he must have been a fresh ding. I'll take what I can get though. If I'm an easy target then I'm going to pick on the easy-easy targets. XD

[Firewind]

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Yeah Rogues suck at 1v1 at 85 really and pretty much rely on their target to panic like that . If a realise that someone is a panickier I WILL make their life hell

I would also consider when and when not to keep your Shadow Form on. You can't heal in that stance and smart Rogues will take advantage of that.

And yeah the reason why they always sap you is to wait for buffs like PW:S to vanish. It also stops you from running away or even better, makes you panic and use your Trinket.

Positioning helps too. Co ordinate with any Shaman, Warlocks, Magi and Hunters as all of them have great anti-stealth abilities. If you see a Hunter's pet suddenly turn to face behind you, a Hunter's Frost trap go off, a Mage suddenly Frost Nova or use Frost Armour or a Warlock Death Coil or send his Felguard crazy or hear a Shaman's damage totem go off, there's a Rogue about. Rogues are also less likely to attack you if you are with friends. Would you run into a 3v1 fight? Would you expect a Rogue either?

Honestly it's mostly practise. A good anything should always beat a Rogue 1v1. What Rogues do have is time and the ability to enter the fight when they can. We are most lethal when the battle has started and everyone is distracted. If you let yourself get too distracted with the fight going on in front of you, it's hardly surprising that a Rogue will pop up to say hi :3 . Being a Cloth wearer with tunnel vision is basically inviting a Rogue or Kitty to gank you.

[Aksannyi]

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Okay, this day needs to hurry up and end so I can get home and finish leveling to cap so I can go rape some rogues. Haha. Usually they pop out of nowhere and sap (I think that's what it is, I don't show the combat log though I prolly should in PvP) me, by the time I react (because usually I'm very ill-prepared for it, pretty sure they wait for my PW:Shield to dissipate) I'm at half health and ohfuckohfuckohfuckohfuck Psychic Scream oh that bought me a few seconds dot-dot-dot holyfuckisthereanyoneelsenearby savemesavemesaveme.

That's how it usually goes, but then again, I think they can sense my panic. Lol. And then when they kill me like that once, they keep targeting me. This usualy happens in WSG. Almost 99% of the time. And one of the main reasons I fucking hate WSG.

I am determined to get better at PvP. And I really have already, I just want to get better than better. Because the first tier of better was just "Not free honor anymore."

[Firewind]

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Well Rogue is a class that needs you to really know the class inside and out for PvP since every ability you have is situational. The bad ones get weeded out very quickly. It's why it seems that Rogues can utterly destroy you at times because all but the good ones just reroll.

When fighting a Rogue you need to get them to blow their defensive abilities quickly. Rogues are reliant on cooldowns and so fights against them are very binary. Either the Rogue wins or escapes or the Rogue runs out of cooldowns and dies due to having no way to attack/defend/flee. You will want to chain CC a Rogue because they only have two ways of avoiding your Crowd Control spells: Their PvP trinket and Cloak of Shadows.

It sounds stupid but the best way to kill one is take them by surprise. Rogues are incredibly vulnerable out of stealth. Now Priests can keep a Rogue out of stealth with DoTs but Cloak of Shadows removes all magical effects on the Rogue so chances are they're going to hit Vanish then Cloak of Shadows if CoS is up. If that happens and you're fairly sure the Rogue didn't just run away, prepare to be Garotted.

Good Rogues will always Garotte you because of the silence effect and the bleed. It's the bleeds that are lethal since only Resilience and damage reduction talents mitigates them. If a Rogue opens up with Ambush or Cheap Shot, congrats! It's a terrible Rogue! Hit Psychic Scream and have fun playing with your victim. The problem with Garotte is that the silence effect makes you burn up your trinket or Racial if human and the Rogue can still stun (and silence if a Blood Elf) you. When a Rogue has just popped is the most dangerous moment for a Cloth Wearer because within a second of them popping you can be hit with a 5 point Eviscerate/Kidney Shot/Rupture. if you can survive this initial burst though, Rogues will be in trouble since they don't have many options other than Shadow Dance or Vanish and try to Garotte you again unless they want to suck multiple DoTs, nukes and a potential CC chain from you.

If you want to really screw over a Rogue though, get a Warrior, Kitty or Rogue friend. DoTs stop Rogues from vanishing but they can dispel magical DoTs. However they can't do a thing about three four things:

Bleed Effects.
Kitty Stealth being better than Rogue stealth and they will ALWAYS detect the Rogue before the Rogue detects them. If they don't then they are a tab targetter and are trying to get you killed.
Mind Flay AKA Rogue Tentacle Rape
Intimidating Shout followed by Mind Flay followed by Psychic Scream followed by more Mind Flay

Sure Mind Flay is classed as a DoT but because it's channelled and technically is classed as a melee attack, the Rogue doesn't even have an option to Stealth up and Cloak of Shadows does nothing to dispel it. Seriously, if you see a stealthed Rogue nearby hit them with Mind Rape and watch him/her panic. Seriously, that ability is fucking overpowered X_X

[Aksannyi]

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Doesn't matter what spec I'm in, Rogues kill me regardless.

[Firewind]

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To be honest I'm not too sure about Holy as a Priest. I've tried this Discipline Build out on my Priest and had a lot of fun: (33/5/3). It's mostly about mitigation so I wouldn't try raid healing with it, it's for Tank healing only but you can toss out some damage when you're bored of waiting for the tank to actually take damage.

I wouldn't take that into PvP though. Discipline IS fun in PvP but just keep in mind that Rogues can more or less pick the exact moment you die. Don't get me wrong, Disc is a nice alternative to Shadow but keep in mind that once a Rogue decides it's game over for a Disc Priest, it's game over. If you want to keep us pesky Rogues off your back stay Shadow :3

[Aksannyi]

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Hmm. Maybe I should RP in my guild that, as a Forsaken Priest, it is terribly painful for me to cast spells of the Holy Light, and therfore, I must always be DPS. Hahahahaha.

I wouldn't really do that. I definitely do prefer DPS though and I think I may be able to get away with mainspec Shadow and only dropping into Holy when absolutely necessary. At least, I got the impression that the guild was ok with me being DPS instead of heals. I kind of dpsing. Had so much fun in ICC last night and even things like the CoC. It's funny that even though it's a different game than FFXI, I'm still so burnt out on healing that I don't want to touch it even with an entirely different arsenal of toys to play with.

I'm itching to get back into PvP though, I'm about 12 bars from 85 so when I hit cap, I'm going to PvP my ass off and work on getting some gearz.

Also, been tooling around on my Orc Hunter (23) and my brand new Gobby Warlock (10) when I'm not in the mood for grinding 80+ stuff. I don't intend to get either to cap very quickly, but it's both fun and informative to play some different classes.

[Firewind]

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And to change the subject. I've been messing around with Rogue builds.

I actually use this build for my Rogue (7/2/32). I have a blast with it in PvP. The points in Cheat Death can be moved around though since Vanish doesn't even make you vanish now (It now takes a full second to kick in and you can still be targetted and hit for that second while stealthed). I do find it useful for those "OH SHI-" moments as it gives you a chance to slip away, premeditate then Recuperate while you try to find a healer or find a safe place to bandage up. Still with that build I usually come top on damage and Killing Blows in Battlegrounds and I'm very rarely outside the top 3.

For Raiding I like this: (34/3/4). I've never actually ran out of energy with that setup. Glyph of Tricks of the Trade can be switched to Glyph of Sprint if you don't have another Rogue to Trick with. Points in Nightstalker and Deadly Brew can be shifted though I find they useful because Nightstalker gives you more mobility and Deadly Brew means you can use a second damage dealing poison instead of Crippling Poison.