Peta has a game for you!

[Feba]

Re: Peta has a game for you!

Principles bad! Conformity good!

tl;dr version.

[Szkol]

Re: Peta has a game for you!

With the exception of the stuff on your bones, no, you don't. If you need anything IN meat, it can be provided through other means.

That's not true-

There are simply some long-chain proteins you can't obtain from veggies alone. Same is true for certain types of cholesterol found only in animals.

Where do YOUR long-chain omega-3 fatty acids come from? The answer for vegaterians and vegans, is nowhere- because long-chain omega 3s are found exclusively in animals.

Where do you get your vitamin B-12, which by the way seems to have more and more health benfefits every day? Enjoy your broccoli- because while you're suffering from degenerative nerve disease from lack of B-12 I'll be working my way through a fatty bloody delicious hunk of barely cooked cow. I'll have B-12, Iron, and all sorts of healthy proetins dripping down my face. While B-12 is contained in select few vegan food choices, it has never been shown to be in a form usable by humans.

[Armando]

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Where do YOUR long-chain omega-3 fatty acids come from? The answer for vegaterians and vegans, is nowhere- because long-chain omega 3s are found exclusively in animals.

Where do you get your vitamin B-12, which by the way seems to have more and more health benfefits every day? Enjoy your broccoli- because while you're suffering from degenerative nerve disease from lack of B-12 I'll be working my way through a fatty bloody delicious hunk of barely cooked cow. I'll have B-12, Iron, and all sorts of healthy proetins dripping down my face. While B-12 is contained in select few vegan food choices, it has never been shown to be in a form usable by humans.

Vitamin B12

Plants are not generally significant sources of Vitamin B12,[53] However, vegetarians can obtain B12 from dairy products, eggs, fortified foods and dietary supplements.[54][55] Since the human body preserves B12 and reuses it without destroying the substance, clinical evidence of B12 deficiency is uncommon.[56][57] The body can preserve stores of the vitamin for up to 30 years without needing its supplies to be replenished.[53]

The recommendation of taking supplements has been challenged by studies indicating that exogenous B12 may actually interfere with the proper absorption of this vitamin in its natural form.[58] The research on vitamin B12 sources has increased in the latest years[59] and researchers at Hiroshima University have developed methods for growing plants rich in vitamin B12.[60]

Emphasis mine. Was your comment on "enjoy your broccoli...degenerative nerve disease...fatty bloody delicious hunk of barely cooked cow, etc" really necessary?

[Gyotsha]

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Eating meat is natural and in our instincts. Humans automatically crave fats and back in the days when humans were just another dumb animal the best source of it was meat! Also, the protein in this meat was what allowed our brains to develop. If humans were herbivores from the start, we'd probably still be prancing around fields as dumb as a cow!

Like I said, eating meat is in our instincts. It's not a choice. It's not my fault I was born this way! D:

[Feba]

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That's not true-

yes, it is. Even if you don't want to take supplements (and honestly, it's the 21st century.), food can be fortified with nutrients. It's done all the time, and you'd better believe that eating meat brings in tons of artificially added stuff too. If a society decided to stop eating meat, you can bet that veggies would be fortified with any missing nutrients.

If humans were herbivores from the start, we'd probably still be prancing around fields as dumb as a cow!

Other primates disagree.

Like I said, eating meat is in our instincts. It's not a choice.

So is taking a piss when your bladder gets full. That doesn't mean you don't get to make a choice between just going wherever you please and finding a bathroom %99.99 of the time. A big part of being civilized is not giving into instincts every time they come up.

[Gyotsha]

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The choice part was meant to go with the sentence after it lol

The point is that people will continue to eat meat because of nature and nothing is likely to change that. The exception are vegetarians, most likely thanks to nurture. Curse you nurture!

None of us will change anybody's views on this matter. It is an argument that will not cease until people quit telling me to stop eating meat because it's wrong!

[Kailea]

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why is this still even an argument..... this is quit stupid....


For one, lets talk about food that natural, and not this fortified bull crap

What was said is true, as we evolved (don't start and religious BS now) we needed meat to help our brains develop into what it is now.

Yes its your choice to not eat me, that's cool, don't care if you do. But leave the people that want to eat meat alone.

I don't need any of this "you dont need meat you should stop" or "don't kill the animals for your selfish wants"

you may feel like you don't need meat, and thats cool, we should have a spinach pizza some time, those rock...... but I do NEED meat.

Now I know that PETA does not represent all Vegetarians/Vegans, but its group like them, that make others uncomfortable around plant eaters.

I should beable to sit across a table from you, and eat a steak, while you eat a Salad, and not be commented on ever 5 sec, about how gross it is, and how I should feel bad.....

[Gyotsha]

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why is this still even an argument..... this is quit stupid....

Some people enjoy a debate. As long as it doesn't get out of control and people don't start insulting each other, then there's nothing wrong with it. It's all in good fun.

Your post does about sum it all up though and if everyone was tolerant like that there wouldn't be any problems, but many people seem to think that only their way is right. That's where the real problem lies within many disputes.

That's why I despise organizations like PETA who tell you how you should live your life.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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tl;dr version.

So you're saying you make where the food comes from a political matter was well? Even if it was a free pizza? You're just as bad as that guy. No one is making you eat the pizza, if you don't want any, just say so and leave it at that.

I couldn't give a damn if a chairman in the board of directors of Domino's was pro-life, pro-choice, pro-death penalty, a democrat, republican, a satanist or whatever. They make pizza. They make pizza I can share with a vegitarian. If I really cared that much, I'd be making the pizza myself on my own dime. Someone else was buying.

[Feba]

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For one, lets talk about food that natural,

Ok. You've just eliminated somewhere around %100 of the average American's diet. Congratulations!

Again, if you seriously believe that eating almost all meat produced nowadays is more 'natural' than eating vegetables with vitamins added, you really need a reality check.

Yes its your choice to not eat me, that's cool,

awesome.

I don't need any of this "you dont need meat you should stop" or "don't kill the animals for your selfish wants"

Nobody has said this. As I said earlier, there are plenty of things which we plainly do not need. Not needing something alone is never a reason to forsake it.

but I do NEED meat.

No, you do not.

[Caspian]

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Why are we fighting over this so much? I haven't seen any vegetarians/vegans telling anyone else that they're bad people for eating meat. Armando has said he doesn't begrudge anyone else their right to eat meat and Feba has said he isn't currently on a vegan diet. All I've seen are meat eaters telling vegetarians that they are effectually stupid. I know there are some vegetarians (PeTA) that will tell you what a horrible person you are for eating beef, but they aren't on here. Lets cool it with the over the top dramatics. If you'd like to have a discussion about it, do so, but lets all keep our heads.

[Szkol]

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I'll take my steroids rare.

[Feba]

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So you're saying you make where the food comes from a political matter was well?

In some cases, sure. The point is, if you're going to take a stand, take a stand. If you're vehemently anti-abortion, and an unwanted pregnancy comes up, you should not make an exception in your beliefs just because it's the 'easy' thing to do. (Changing your opinions based on experiences is a different matter, do not get me started). Peer pressure can be very powerful, especially when it feels like all of society instead of just all your friends.

Vegan, Athiest or Straitedge - they all seem keen on telling you on how to live your life, which makes them more annoying the the christians they complain about so much.

Just because you don't notice one group (or rather, the one group likely does not notice you) does not mean they are not there. I mean, hello, Prop. 8?

[Gyotsha]

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Not everyone is willing to go through the trouble of finding vegetables and supplements to replace meat with when they can just eat meat. Meat just adds to the nutritional value when it's in a well balanced meal with healthy vegetables. Meat eaters have the upper hand nutritionally because we can eat meat PLUS these vegetables you keep going on about. It just makes things so much easier.

The only problem with meat is the slaughter houses, but that's not going to stop. The animals are going to be slaughtered and packaged either way, so for me it would be a wasted effort if I stopped eating meat.

And as far as I can see, we're just bouncing back the pros and cons of each side. Nothing wrong with that.

[Feba]

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Not everyone is willing to go through the trouble of finding vegetables and supplements to replace meat with when they can just eat meat.

I'd like to know what world you live in that it's 'trouble' to find supplements. Apart from reading the boxes next time you're in a pharmacy, I have to imagine you could find all sorts of info in ten minutes of googling.

Meat eaters have the upper hand nutritionally because we can eat meat PLUS these vegetables you keep going on about.

This assumes that meat is ALWAYS good. It's not. I saw some mild health benefits when I was a vegan, despite the fact that my diet was still generally pretty poor. Meat has its downsides.

The only problem with meat is the slaughter houses

No, it's not. As I said earlier, there are plenty of problems in addition to the ethical. There are just as valid reasons to forsake meat economically and environmentally, as well as ethics that ONLY concern human well being. The animal suffering is just the icing on the cake.

And I'd really like to know what purpose there would be to raise, torture, and slaughter livestock in a world where people do not use animal products. This whole "You can't stop it, so you might as well just do it" idea is just as flawed as the 'your vote doesn't count' idea.