Gloom and doom

[Raydeus]

re: Gloom and doom

Yeah, with all the stuff Israel has done both to Palestinians and to their neighbors in general you keep hearing more and more people speculating whether the Holocaust was even true.

That's just how much credibility and good will Israel has lost.

[cidbahamut]

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*gasp* Anti-semitic!

While I know full well you're being sarcastic, I'm tired of this being the universal response to such sentiments. If Israel were a predominantly muslim country, the things they do would garner them the same contemt from the U.S. that we dole out to other countries in the region. Maybe we'd even go to war with them. You know, to protect all those down-trodden Palestinians.

[Taskmage]

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*gasp* Anti-semitic!

[cidbahamut]

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I think we really ought to just let Israel get themselves wiped off the map. They're pretty awful and their existence has been nothing but trouble for that entire region of the world.

[Raydeus]

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Unfortunately that's not what came out of AIPAC this year.

The US has absolutely nothing to gain from attacking Iran. But Israel seems to be ready to attack, and are putting pressure on the US to back them up when they do. Also don't forget Israel already has nuclear weapons and completely refuses to sign non-proliferation treaties while also rejecting monitoring of their own programs. So while the GOP candidates may be riding the war wave to try to get Obama out of the White House the bulk of the aggression comes from Israel and the bulk from the US rhetoric comes from Israel lobbyist groups.

You could even go as far as to say that at least Iraq was invaded for the sake of taking back the oil contracts for the US (and the UK) from the Euro in order to protect the Petrodollar, but attacking Iran will only bring net loses to the US.

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PS > And yes, just like with the US there are people in Israel saying the "Zionists" don't represent them or Jews for that matter.

So it's just as complicated over there as it is over here.

[Taskmage]

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I don't think it's foreign interests that are egging the US towards a confrontation with Iran so much as the perceived interest of right-wing primary voters. It's Romney and Gingrich and certain elements of conservative media that are pushing this nuclear Iran angle as a distraction from the real problems the country has, which they can't speak to right now because economic numbers have been good-ish lately which makes Obama hard to criticise (except on the point of the pileup of civil rights abuses, but the GOP would do the same or worse if it had the chance so they don't bring it up). Even Israeli intelligence officers are coming out and saying our rhetoric is beyond the pale.

[Raydeus]

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You have to understand this is the same guy that says the moon is probably a spaceship because it couldn't possibly be hold into position by gravity. XD

However he does say some interesting things about the situation, and after digging up some info you can see that conspiracies aside there is indeed some sort of 1984-ish thing going on. Whether that's really how it will play out (with some sort of global government) is anyone's guess, but the attacks on personal freedoms and the campaign against the US constitution by the Corporations are right there in plain sight, things that you only saw in third world dictatorships in the past (including Mexico's, which was sponsored by the US like so many around the world.)

No need to theorize anything about those either, even if we don't really know what that actually means in the immediate future.

Then there's also the fall of the Petrodollar, and that while the US already can't afford yet another war it's still been pushed towards it by foreign interests. Etc. etc. etc.

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PS > While people has many different opinions on the subject there are 2 things that always come up as "Warning" (more like confirmation) signs for the US:

- The fall of the Petrodollar, meaning oil producers including the OPEC turning from the US dollar for oil trading.
- Laws in direct conflict with 2nd amendment to take any and all weapons away from US citizens "for their protection".


What happens after that I have no idea, but I seriously hope it doesn't end up in the Amero scenario. <_<;

[cidbahamut]

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That's ok, he does make some assumptions that are shaky at best. But most of the things he says fit in too well to be ignored.

It's not a matter of believing everything you see, but to take the bits and pieces that do make sense. The more of it you watch and read about the better your general idea of the situation is. Each of these videos and articles are just stepping stones.

After finishing the second of his videos, I'm pretty sure he's just a raving mad conspiracy theorist. I was disappointed.

[Takelli]

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As long as you don't disrespect anyone, or take anything too seriously that's controversial, you should have no issues with posting the stuff here.

[geogolem]

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Ya, its interesting you know even Hitler truly believed he was doing God's will.

As far as David Icke is concerned, I think his videos/talks are worth a watch but I don't like it when he starts talking about reptilians etc. Even though I'm a big Star Trek fan etc. I just feel that those aspects to his views make people ignore all of his ideas/comments/concerns.

I'm new to these forums so I am weary of posting any contraversial videos etc. but I highly recommend the following video as I think it explains alot.

Many people have seen or heard of the Zeitgeist movement and videos etc. but I think this "orientation guide" accurately sums alot of things up.

Why or how we got here, conspiracy or not etc. I don't really know the truth but the reality is most of the activity going on on this planet is wasteful, oppressive and just plain stupid when it doesn't need to be that way.

[Armando]

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The thing is, it seems to me like everyone knows this.... but nobody cares.

The only thing that could possibly be done in the short term is kill every rich and powerful person and corporation on the planet. To do that you'd have to become just as corrupt as them just to have enough money and military power in the first place, and then you'd have to become Dictator of the World to maintain order. Congrats, you just replaced one reign of oppression with another. Even if you became a benevolent dictator, eventually you'll die and some asshole will replace you and undo everything.

The heart of the matter is that there's a lot of very stupid, greedy and selfish people and we don't have a cure for their stupidity. All anyone can do is find something that makes you happy, try to leave the world a little bit better than you found it, and hope enough people learn from your example before we kill each other off. Or at least hope more people become aquainted with the Prisoner's dilemma.

/soapbox

[Raydeus]

re: Gloom and doom

That's ok, he does make some assumptions that are shaky at best. But most of the things he says fit in too well to be ignored.

It's not a matter of believing everything you see, but to take the bits and pieces that do make sense. The more of it you watch and read about the better your general idea of the situation is. Each of these videos and articles are just stepping stones.

[cidbahamut]

re: Gloom and doom

Check out these

Videos

PS > I usually hold back on posting this stuff because it's both depressing and could bring troubles for the boss (PiNG.) <_<;

He seems to get a bit flakey once he stops talking pure economics. I have trouble taking anyone seriously who equates Communism with facism. The two are very different and one of them arguably doesn't exist in this world. He's very good at hiding it, but his tinfoil hat is visible despite the numerous good points he makes and I wish it didn't.

[Raydeus]

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@Raydeus:

The thing is, it seems to me like everyone knows this.... but nobody cares.

They just don't know where or when to start.

Most people seem to think there will be some sort of declaration of war and that the fighting will begin then. There was none.

And I say was because instead fights are as small as single whistle blowers being prosecuted by the military and censorship bills passed as Copyright protection laws. And of course, little laws being passed that little by little strip away people's rights. People are indeed starting to organize, but they take any opportunity to go back to their old and less depressing lives. Also called wishful denial.

"Oh! We stopped SOPA/PIPA! Yay!"
"What? Another 100 bills like that are already in the system awaiting approval? Eh... I have to watch dancing tonight. Also have a dentist appointment tomorrow morning so... *runs away and hides in his house*"

PS > And starting this month people can be picked up and detained indefinitely or killed without any questions asked. You are already at war, as is Europe and the Arab nations. Latin America is the dessert.

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PPS > Ok, fixed the videos. <_<;

[Takelli]

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I hear the Moon's weather is nice this time of year.

Anyone got a 10 million dollar space ship, and know how to set up a colony on the moon with the money? XD