Gloom and doom

[Feba]

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and ICE



Why can't you people just be happy that we're getting ready to kill all of the Mexicans?

[Taskmage]

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This is a distinction that is not special to TSA officers, though. I mean, we are culturally much less supportive of them than "real" law enforcement officers, and we're not even that hot on them, but I think it's a valid question whether we want any "peace officers" to have such a body-shattering level of stopping power that it is outlawed in international warfare. I personally would question whether the entire Department of Homeland Security is a needful structure that we want to have around. So even though I'm not sure whether this particular purchase of ammunition is something out of the ordinary that should be cause for concern, it does strike me as a symptom of some much bigger questions that should be addressed.

[Takelli]

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Hollow Rounds: Deadly, but make sure no one else gets hit.

Normal Rounds: Still deadly, but made to stop some one, but has a chance of ricocheting, and going through houses, and such.

[Raydeus]

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And this is why it bothers me so much that those grunts from TSA could be carrying anti-personal rounds in the near future.

With regular rounds you stop a person unless they are drugged, and they still have a chance of survival. With Hollows you make sure that same person dies.

With regular rounds you may disable someone by shooting them in the leg if you are forced to do so. With hollows you make sure there is no leg anymore. Etc. Etc.

[Taskmage]

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wat fak? Okay, I don't really know what a reasonable amount of ammunition would be, but 450 million does sound like a lot. More than the number, though, what the hell does a law enforcement agency need hollow points for?

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Okay, I was pretty sure using hollow points was a war crime, and didn't believe that police officers would be allowed to use ordinance that was forbidden to soldiers by international law. Turns out I was half right. From wikipedia:

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.

[Etra]

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Weren't we stockpiling body bags quite recently, too?

[Raydeus]

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Aaaaand the DHS is ordering 450 million hollow rounds.

/tinfoil...

/waitscrewthat
/equip body "bulletproofvestwithceramicplates"

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Round vs Hollow

TL;DR Hollows are for use against non-armored targets to ensure the kill.

[Ketaru]

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Wait, what? Does the Homosexual Agendaâ„¢ include suicide bombers now?

And destroying the constitution.

[Taskmage]

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I see this household keeps watching Teletubby videos on youtube. I suspect terrorism. Quick! We must watch every move they make on their mobile and electronic devices. As well as know their exact location on the planet.

Wait, what? Does the Homosexual Agendaâ„¢ include suicide bombers now? That's what that show is about, right? I don't think yarn bombing constitutes actual terrorism, even the really ugly ones. Hmm .. are there suicide yarn bombers?

Nice work, stream of thought. High five! /smacks head

[Murphie]

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I could not have said it better my self Ray.

I sincerely doubt you could.

[Etra]

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I see this household keeps watching Teletubby videos on youtube. I suspect terrorism. Quick! We must watch every move they make on their mobile and electronic devices. As well as know their exact location on the planet.

[Jarre]

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Well all the UK's shit will be monitored soon when new laws get passed all emails, calls, gps phone positions, every page you visit on the web etc.

BBC News - Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

[Raydeus]

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I'm liking this girl's videos. Doom&Gloom all the way, but after Katrina people should be way more receptive to this kinda stuff, I hope.

Though it kinda saddens me to see myself little by little becoming a survivalist. I mean I've always taken precautions for regular stuff, but now I'm starting to look at things more seriously and thinking about all the deficiencies my way of life has in the event of a full blown SHTF event. Good news is except for a full moving away from the city (which I'm starting to consider even though I'm not sure I could afford it) it isn't expensive to be prepared, as you can get supplies little by little and the most important stuff is very easy to obtain right now.

So yeah, this channel is nice and has nice starting tips for a guy like me, that being "relatively young and healthy" doesn't really give meds much thought and focuses on prevention instead of treatment and/or emergency situations.

[cidbahamut]

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Ok, it is different, but it's still following the general trend of making "terrorist" out to be the modern boogieman much like communists used to be and then applying that label to anything someone disagrees with. It's a cultivation of irrational fear and gets used a sweeping excuse for doing damn near anything in the name of "national security" or similar garbage.

[Taskmage]

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Isn't that exactly what's been happening ever since Septermeber 12, 2001?

Maybe? I can't say I've been politically conscious for more than about 5 years. My impression was until recently they were just excusing treating regular people like criminals because there might be a terrorist hiding among them, rather than calling the regular people terrorists straight up. This redefining through use thing is a natural feature of language, but it's especially troublesome given things like Holder's speech saying "the executive can kill you, but don't worry it's only if you're a terrorist" plus the fact that (heaven help us) we might have a new executive soon.

So there you go, Dak. It won't be a brutal Syria-esque military crackdown the rich use to keep you down, it'll be culturally subversive Newspeak crap like this. I hope Jon Stewart lampoons the hell out of this interview. It would be a huge waste of a gross absurdity if he didn't.