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[Pwnagraphic]

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Changing the subject. Tell me about MMA. I've been looking to take up a martial art as a self-improvement project. I found the Fort Worth Kendo Kyokai which I intended to join as soon as I scraped together some room in my budget for membership dues. Is there an MMA organization around here?

Yeah there's New World Combat where I will be going soon. And Arlington MMA where I left. Arlington has great teachers but they're 130 a month for the whole gym and they train Mon-Thur 7:30-9:30. very intense stuff. I can show you some stuff to help get you in shape before going there so you don't throw up lol.

NWC is only 85 a month if you do a 1 year contract and 105 if you do it month to month. But at NWC, they make you do 6 months Muay Tai before they let you do the MMA classes.

MMA isn't anything. It's not a school, it's not a style, and it's not an art. At it's best, it's a collection of deft movements that eventually lead to a quick submission. At it's worst, it's Brock Lesnar tackling people and slamming his fists into their skulls with a complete lack of technique

You got the wrong idea. Maybe from watching a chump like Brock fight.. I dunno. But MMA isn't a style, it's a multiple of styles.. Henced MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.. 75% of fights end up on the ground. So that's why knowing Jui Jitsu is important. And Jui Jitsu alone is 1 martial art. Even if you know Roman Greco wrestling, you still have to learn Jui Jitsu. Then they make you learn stand up if you already don't. Which, depending on the school, is Muay Tai, or just Kick Boxing.
I don't know if you know Martial Arts or not Dak, but it's better to be an all round fighter than sticking to ONE martial art. I'd like you to walk into any MMA school and tell them what you just said and see the reaction you get. You also learn ring generalization. Fighting in a cage is different than fighting in a ring,.. a ring is different than the street.. You learn how to use it in school for your advantage.


Kendo is also very good style. My friend was doing it for years at her school in Waxahachie.

[Armando]

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But MMA isn't a style, it's a multiple of styles.

He didn't miss the point. What you said is precisely the point behind what he said. You can't claim MMA is a style when each person can decide to use different amounts of techniques from different martial arts, possibly ignore some martial arts altogether. Unless I'm wrong and everyone teaches the same mixture of techniques and styles, but that seems stupid to me.

That has nothing to do with its legitimacy. It's only natural that no martial art can prepare you for everything, and that knowing multiple styles rounds you out as a fighter. Bruce Lee came to the same conclusion and nobody gives Bruce Lee any lip.

[Lmnop]

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Ever since I found out that "MMA" really means "learn Mua thai and Brazilian Jui-jitsu", it's become hard to be enthused about it.

But single-style martial arts tournies have always pissed me off at how they neglect true fighting in favor of points.

[Pwnagraphic]

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He didn't miss the point. What you said is precisely the point behind what he said. You can't claim MMA is a style when each person can decide to use different amounts of techniques from different martial arts, possibly ignore some martial arts altogether. Unless I'm wrong and everyone teaches the same mixture of techniques and styles, but that seems stupid to me.

That has nothing to do with its legitimacy. It's only natural that no martial art can prepare you for everything, and that knowing multiple styles rounds you out as a fighter. Bruce Lee came to the same conclusion and nobody gives Bruce Lee any lip

Actually it was Bruce Lee who said you don't want to restrict yourself.. If you're a Boxer, you lack kicks. If your a Kickboxer, you lack grappling. That' was his whole philosophy. Be formless, that's MMA. No form.. And yes, he did get a lot of lip for his beliefs. I disagree with Dak saying it's not an art. It's Multiple arts of YOUR choice to create for YOUR fighting needs. For someone to say it isn't an art when art is in it's meaning is a bit ignorant.. I am still willing any Mixed martial artist would still argue that it is a style and it is a school where you can learn the "art". You're just looking at the UFC. UFC isn't the definition of MMA. I don't know about you, but I like variety and MMA has just that. Whether you're a cagefighter, or just an average Joe who knows more than one style. And there's pretty much a style for every possible attack.. punches, kicks, guns, knives, bats, etc.. Granted, no one is going to learn all of them and master them in their life time, but yes, there is a martial art that can prepare you for any attack aside from being shot from a distance, or blown up by a pipe bomb.

Ever since I found out that "MMA" really means "learn Mua thai and Brazilian Jui-jitsu"

MMA doesn't mean Learn Muay Thai and Jui Jitsu.. That's just the choice to be an all round fighter especially for beginners. And they're the best choices as wel since lthey got stand and ground. There's more than one martial art and not every cagefighter knows the same style. My Tae Kwon Do was enough to where all I had to learn was Jui Jitsu. Mixed Martial arts says it's meaning right there. If you know Kung Fu and Tae Kwon Do, that's MMA. Everyone thinks MMA means UFC. Not the case at all.

[DakAttack]

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Bruce Lee had the right idea, yet we have a bastardized sport that rewards being the top piece of the man sandwich and completely serendipitous knock-outs.

Ever since I found out that "MMA" really means "learn Mua thai and Brazilian Jui-jitsu", it's become hard to be enthused about it.

But single-style martial arts tournies have always pissed me off at how they neglect true fighting in favor of points.

Wherever you fight, you're essentially fighting for points. Unless you knock out your opponent, the judges will resort to points to determine the outcome.

But, I believe you're referring to semi-contact fighting. It's more commonly known as point fighting, or sport karate. If you knew where to look, you could find a few videos of me fighting, but they aren't very good. A lot of my better fights weren't recorded. Even then, I'm still not the best.

[Armando]

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Actually it was Bruce Lee who said you don't want to restrict yourself..

Uh, that's what I said.

I disagree with Dak saying it's not an art. It's Multiple arts of YOUR choice to create for YOUR fighting needs.

And as such it's something unique to each person. It's not a restricted set of moves and strategies that you can pin down and say "this is what MMA is."

I mean hell you can call just about anything an art. That's not what he meant though.

[DakAttack]

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I don't believe Bruce Lee said learn everything, but rather use anything. If somebody has you in a headlock, gouge his eyes out, squeeze his balls, whatever. If you're in a position to bite him, by all means, bite the shit out of him.

Bruce Lee was extremely vague, and his ideas were occasionally contradictory.

[Lmnop]

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And he once said that if we were attacked by aliens with 4 arms and 4 legs, our forms would be useless. We'd need to adapt.

MMA is very fascinating, but I just feel like a lot of people forget that it really is supposed to be "what's your style?" and instead becomes "take the best face-smasher (muay thai) and the best ground-fighter (BJJ) and I'll be the best fighter ever!"

And worse, they end up beating the people who have interesting mixes.

Capoeira still sucks, though. >.>

[Armando]

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MMA is very fascinating, but I just feel like a lot of people forget that it really is supposed to be "what's your style?" and instead becomes "take the best face-smasher (muay thai) and the best ground-fighter (BJJ) and I'll be the best fighter ever!"

And worse, they end up beating the people who have interesting mixes.

Come on Lmnop. How is that any different from going WAR/NIN and smashing face left and right?

[Lmnop]

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Touche

[Feba]

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How is that any different from going WAR/NIN and smashing face left and right?

Yeah, but FFXI isn't a game.

[Lmnop]

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Wherever you fight, you're essentially fighting for points. Unless you knock out your opponent, the judges will resort to points to determine the outcome.

But, I believe you're referring to semi-contact fighting. It's more commonly known as point fighting, or sport karate. If you knew where to look, you could find a few videos of me fighting, but they aren't very good. A lot of my better fights weren't recorded. Even then, I'm still not the best.

I'm familiar with the MMA tournaments and full contact karate (Kyokushin, whatever). Granted, I'm not a practiced martial artist, but I still see a lot wrong with these. My main 2 points:

1) I once saw a brazilian Jui-Jitsu groundfighting tournament video. There was a point where the guy who was in a superior position (and would eventually win) put himself in a position where the loser could've easily hit him in the balls. But no striking allowed, so no advantage gained.

2) May have been UFC, but i don't think so. Some other MMA televised tournament with groundfighting. Guy A knocks guy B down. Guy B rolls onto his back and sticks his legs in the air (the move I used on my sister when I was 7). There's no "hitting them while they're down" so instead of just kicking the douche in the ribs or something, he has to move to groundfighting and try to engage this guy who wants to kick him in the face.

Bull.

Shit.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Bruce Lee had the right idea, yet we have a bastardized sport that rewards being the top piece of the man sandwich and completely serendipitous knock-outs.

And Bruce Lee is the father of it . One of the famous pics of Bruce is him in spandex, and MMA gloves submitting someone. And it seems you're focused on the Brock Lesnar fight.. And I agree.. that was no skill or technique. Anyone outweighing someone can lay ontop of them and punch them. But getting into a guard is a Jui Jitsu move. And to get out of one or reverse one takes knowledge and skill of Jui jitsu. Brock Lesnar has none and personally, him being champ is total BS anyway..

Uh, that's what I said.

Yeah I misread it. Sorry.

And he once said that if we were attacked by aliens with 4 arms and 4 legs, our forms would be useless. We'd need to adapt.

MMA is very fascinating, but I just feel like a lot of people forget that it really is supposed to be "what's your style?" and instead becomes "take the best face-smasher (muay thai) and the best ground-fighter (BJJ) and I'll be the best fighter ever!"

And worse, they end up beating the people who have interesting mixes.

Capoeira still sucks, though. >.>

Yeah but I get what he's saying.. lol. Like I said, you don't HAVE to know Muay Thai or Jui Jitsu, it's just the default I guess you could say lol.

(the move I used on my sister when I was 7).

ROFLMFAO!

[Akashimo]

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You know you're bored when you look up websites on Internet Archive: Wayback Machine that you used to visit between 1999 to 2004.

Side note, googling said sites results as nothing, which i shouldn't be surprised but it still makes me sad Or authors from fanfic sites.

[DakAttack]

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I'm familiar with the MMA tournaments and full contact karate (Kyokushin, whatever). Granted, I'm not a practiced martial artist, but I still see a lot wrong with these. My main 2 points:

1) I once saw a brazilian Jui-Jitsu groundfighting tournament video. There was a point where the guy who was in a superior position (and would eventually win) put himself in a position where the loser could've easily hit him in the balls. But no striking allowed, so no advantage gained.

2) May have been UFC, but i don't think so. Some other MMA televised tournament with groundfighting. Guy A knocks guy B down. Guy B rolls onto his back and sticks his legs in the air (the move I used on my sister when I was 7). There's no "hitting them while they're down" so instead of just kicking the douche in the ribs or something, he has to move to groundfighting and try to engage this guy who wants to kick him in the face.

Bull.

Shit.

Not allowed to hit people in the back of the head either, which is BS because they're depriving other fighters of legitimate opportunities to hit somebody while their back is turned.