Marijuana

[Feba]

Re: Marijuana

Nope, everyone naturally has a bias, but the government is much more likely to be spreading blatant propaganda than anyone else... except maybe people trying to legalize drugs.

[Mhurron]

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Because the government would never ever use propaganda.

You think you never read anything with a bias? Do you have anything to refute what it says or are you just trying to look hip with 'I don't trust the guberments.'

[Feba]

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Because the government would never ever use propaganda.

[Mhurron]

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Pot does not do this either. Pot is almost totally non-addictive in any physical or chemical manner.

Is that so

[DakAttack]

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@Dak: It's pretty obvious we are both on opposing sides of humanistic rights concerns and probably won't concede to each other. You have nothing but contempt for people who think and act differently from you, and I see myself as much more open-minded than that. I'm done going at your throat, but I still won't hesitate to shoot down any ignorant claims or generalizations you make about cannabis or other drugs, or their users.

Yes, I have contempt for all people who act differently from me. That's the idea I want people to take home with them after they read a thread wherein I argue against the use of marijuana.

Which reminds me, you never cited a source for this:

I don't need to, because it's as obvious as the light of the day.

[Feba]

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Surely I'm not the only one that can see the blatant parallels between pot and MMOs?

The thing you're missing here is that MMOs are cheap.

[Ameroth]

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Um, ya. Ok. Sweeping generalizations and such. Have fun with that.

I had no idea that MMO's formed a chemical dependance in it's users.

Pot does not do this either. Pot is almost totally non-addictive in any physical or chemical manner. It can be, however, psychologically addictive. Then again, just about anything can be psychologically addictive. Watching tv, coming to these forums, *gasp* playing FFXI, etc. The conclusion that Deeke was making is that both activities (pot and MMOs) can be a very addictive habit mentally. Neither causes a chemical dependence.

You haven't refuted anything, just commented mindless zombie style.

But you said I'm only a mindless zombie when I'm high, and I haven't posted to this thread while high. Refuted that claim.

@Dak: It's pretty obvious we are both on opposing sides of humanistic rights concerns and probably won't concede to each other. You have nothing but contempt for people who think and act differently from you, and I see myself as much more open-minded than that. I'm done going at your throat, but I still won't hesitate to shoot down any ignorant claims or generalizations you make about cannabis or other drugs, or their users.

Which reminds me, you never cited a source for this:

Marijuana's obvious damage to the personality, and mental stability

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[Sevv]

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A good amount of MMO users are drug users lol hi2u wow

[Mhurron]

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Anyone who regards ALL stoners as a burden on society is, by default, themself a burden on society. Sweeping generalisations - and those who make them - cause problems easily on a par with users of marijuana.

Um, ya. Ok. Sweeping generalizations and such. Have fun with that.

Surely I'm not the only one that can see the blatant parallels between pot and MMOs?

I had no idea that MMO's formed a chemical dependance in it's users.

[Sabaron]

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...especially in cases where the patient has trouble taking THC pills orally.

I'm not sure if I'd buy that excuse (from anyone). I have a friend who takes these pills (Marinol). They are tiny, only about a millimeter in diameter, take a look:

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I was actually more concerned with the caretakers than the terminally ill... >_>; After all, the former will be around for years, where as the later will be gone shortly.

But, sure, whatever...

[Srxjo]

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As an aside, prohibition against recreational usage should be relaxed for terminal patients. The danger of long term addiction is just not that important when talking about someone who will expire in six months. I'd go as far as advocating these stuff if it makes the lives of their caretakers more pleasant by mellowing the dying people and make them easier to deal with.

i totally agree with this, might aswell ease their pain in the little time they have in life

[Deeke]

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Interesting read.

A few points:

Anyone who regards ALL stoners as a burden on society is, by default, themself a burden on society. Sweeping generalisations - and those who make them - cause problems easily on a par with users of marijuana.

Egocentrics, you have no place in a topic such as this. Not everybody shares your own circumstances. Don't judge others based on what you would have done/would do in their shoes.

And lastly

Surely I'm not the only one that can see the blatant parallels between pot and MMOs?

[Caspian]

Re: Marijuana

Sabaron,
Yeah, the medical use thing was more a reply to those (not necessarily those who've posted here, seeing how I can't recall seing it in this thread) who say that b/c of that it should be made legal. Ifrit makes a point about the appetite stimulation, but often there are other ways to induce appetites and occurs very rarely.

As for the legal/illegal side of it, I do believe that morals have a place in our laws, if for no other reason than that once you go down that road, you run a slippery slope of trying determine which laws are there because of the morality. You probably are right though, the majority of it boils down to business and money. If the government could make the same money off taxing pot that they do off of tobacco and alcohol, it probably would be legal. (Though I do have problems with the whole idea of "sin taxes" to begin with.)
I'm also guessing the last part of your post wasn't directed at me.
I'll try not to get too much into libertarianism and the like, but if you want to talk about it in pm's or something, I'd be more than happy.

One more thing, a few people have quoted the line of freedom to pursue "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Just don't forget the last part of that quote: "without due process." Pretty much all of that which is being discussed has been ruled on in the courts, thereby nullifying that argument.

And just to lighten the mood a bit: GO SPURS!!!!!!!!

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Medical? Please... Pot isn't really a medicine, though truly a good deal of western medicine is just used to hide symptoms rather than do any actual good. Pot makes you less apt to care that your life sucks. In that way it is a medicine.

While I'm clearly against the recreational use of marijuana (and very strongly against putting smoke into lungs in general), there are enough testimonies on its effectiveness on increasing the appetides of chemo patients and others to make me consider it a useful tool medically, especially in cases where the patient has trouble taking THC pills orally.

It's not a cure all, but if it's effective in that limited capacity, it should be made available to those who need it. I do wish they could find better delivery vehicle than smoke, though. (Some sort of nasal aerosal spray with dosing control would be nice.)

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As an aside, prohibition against recreational usage should be relaxed for terminal patients. The danger of long term addiction is just not that important when talking about someone who will expire in six months. I'd go as far as advocating these stuff if it makes the lives of their caretakers more pleasant by mellowing the dying people and make them easier to deal with.