Marijuana

[Sevv]

Re: Marijuana

You're wrong.
Exactly what is there to debate anyway?

NO I'm Right, You're Wrong!

I think...

That was my point there is nothing to debate on the subject. People who smoke, are going to feel it is fine due to their doing it "safe". People who only smoke at home and don't leave, are "safe" when it comes to harming others. People who are against smoking are going to say it is "bad", even tho you can argue medical marijuana is used in many cases (tho misused in more cases). And people like me really don't care if you smoke or not.

So lock the thread please!

[Mhurron]

Re: Marijuana

are you better than me because I get high and you don't?

Why yes I am, but for so many reasons.

no one will actually debate its just gonna be a im right your wrong pointless thread.

You're wrong.

Exactly what is there to debate anyway?

[Raydeus]

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And we know who those clearly ridden with ignorance on these forum are.

You guys are a gag. What, are you better than me because I get high and you don't? You don't need to waste your time debating because I'm just some lazy stoner who can't think right because his brain is for sure too fucked up?

It all started because someone wanted aproval for what they were doing, and it turned out not many aproved it.

As you may have noticed by now no one really cares if you do drugs or not (it's your call), but if you keep trying to change people's opinion on the subject all you will acomplish are pointless fights.

After all you are looking for people's understanding and acceptance for something that's clearly bad for you, so it's never gonna happen. They will respect your choices and leave you alone, but don't expect any kind of acceptance and encouragement if you bring the subject as a topic of discussion.


Edit> And yes indeed, this thread is getting really close to joining the Locked Threads hall of fame.

[Sevv]

Re: Marijuana

Yay for stereotypes.

So lock because no one will actually debate its just gonna be a im right your wrong pointless thread.

[Ameroth]

Re: Marijuana

so, err, we know who the stoner is on this forum eh?

And we know who those clearly ridden with ignorance on these forum are.

The only weapon stoners have is endless and pointless arguing. There's never a resolution.

You guys are a gag. What, are you better than me because I get high and you don't? You don't need to waste your time debating because I'm just some lazy stoner who can't think right because his brain is for sure too fucked up?

[DakAttack]

Re: Marijuana

The only weapon stoners have is endless and pointless arguing. There's never a resolution.

[Murphie]

Re: Marijuana

It's clearly Jei.

[neighbortaru]

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so, err, we know who the stoner is on this forum eh?

[Ameroth]

Re: Marijuana

Try medical studies instead.

Take whatever drug that is your high preference, look up the health consequences

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It is stupid to force your body to adopt to things which are naturally bad for it.

Ever taken cough medicine? Had a bad headache and taken something to help? Had surgery? Ever been to a dentist office? None of those drugs are "naturally" good for your body. Acetaminophen is found in many OTC cold and cough medicines to help ease sickness. When used responsibly these drugs are very helpful. When abused, acetaminophen will cause your liver to shutdown, and you will obviously die. Know what chemotherapy is? It's the use of drugs that are highly toxic to human body cells to fend off or help treat cancer. Tell me that chemotherapy drugs are naturally good for your body.

hey're more addictive then nicotine and induce more chemical changes in the mind then alcohol.

False statements. Of those substances I mentioned (THC, LSD, and psilocybin,) LSD and psilocybin are NOT physically addictive in anyway, while THC is only on the edge of scientists' debates. It is a proven fact that nicotine is incredibly addictive physically. Look it up if you don't (want to) believe me.

Whether any of those drugs cause more changes chemically than the others is much too difficult to tell. Most drugs, whether legal or not, have much uncertainty about how they completely act in and around the brain.

why are we rewriting the same thread that was done and locked 2 months ago? You either smoke pot or you don't, who cares which one you choose.

Though I understand this point, I'm not one to back down from a debate about drugs, their moral or legal objectivity, or medical values. I will probably continue to come back and fend off any claims made in this thread until it is locked. I apologize right now.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Drugs are stupid because who says so? You do? The government does? What about people who make responsible choices to take a drug? I know it's hard to fathom, but there are more people out there than me who take and use drugs responsibly. I have never gotten behind the wheel of my car under any influence of any amount of any drug. I get high in my room and mind my own business. I'm sure you think I'm stupid though. I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is against your own moral values? I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is illegal?

lol. Moral values? Try medical studies instead.

Take whatever drug that is your high preference, look up the health consequences in Wiki. Even the relatively benign marijuana has problems, and its use should be monitored by health professionals if there's a need for it medically.

Honestly, if you make a child inhale smoke and ash, and you'd see the child coughing and choking. That's the natural reaction--smoke is bad. Or, force down a small amount of vodka or another strong liquor, and the child would be coughing and choking again.

It is stupid to force your body to adopt to things which are naturally bad for it. Whatever indignation you feel toward the use of the word "stupid", facts are facts.

Oh, and I do expect people not to drive when they are not able to do so safely. Alcohol, drugs, sleep deprivation, emotional distress, etc.--no exceptions. I set the bar no higher for drug users.

Another tangent: Nicotine [...] Alcohol [...]

Yes, those are stupid, too. Legal, but moronic--tobacco smoking, especially, seems to have no redeeming quality at all.

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I'm all for ethical treatment of drug addicts, but asking for acceptance of self destructive behaviors is too much.

[Murphie]

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All I want to know is, why are we rewriting the same thread that was done and locked 2 months ago? You either smoke pot or you don't, who cares which one you choose.

SRSLY.

[Ziero]

Re: Marijuana

Drugs are stupid because who says so? You do? The government does? What about people who make responsible choices to take a drug? I know it's hard to fathom, but there are more people out there than me who take and use drugs responsibly. I have never gotten behind the wheel of my car under any influence of any amount of any drug. I get high in my room and mind my own business. I'm sure you think I'm stupid though. I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is against your own moral values? I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is illegal?
Ok. So I take a drug that is legal. Let's say I choose to responsibly smoke Salvia divinorum. It's a legal drug in almost all municipalities around the world that has some potential to be abused. But I use it in a safe and responsible manner, use a sober sitter, and stay confined in my house/room/apartment/whatever. Am I still stupid? Have I hurt anyone? Have I caused any trouble or misdeed?

To me, it's stupid because it has no positive value whatsoever while having plenty of well known negative side effects. There are plenty of other things that can make someone 'feel' good without chemically altering ones state of mind or filling ones body with toxic smoke. Now despite how I feel, I don't go around telling other 'don't do that' or calling them stupid or what have you, but I do avoid being around that stuff while it's in use. I also feel the same way about smoking, drinking and 'happy pills'. The only reason why I'm posting is because you asked, but regardless of your acceptance of said specific chemical substance, there is nothing 'good' about the average person using drugs.

Another tangent: Nicotine is a drug, a damned addictive one at that. It gives some users a mild buzz, and again, it's insanely addictive, and the government makes millions on taxes from it. Alcohol is legal. Alcohol is a toxin that can damage your liver and brain, and make users under the influence do some dumb things. I know this horse has been beaten to death, but why are either of these drugs legal while other drugs like cannabis, or psilocybin mushrooms, or LSD illegal?

Because if(when) they tried to outlaw substances that were already widespread and legal, it cause a public and national uproar that ended up causing the use of said substance to become far worse then when it was legal while increasing crime based on said substance.

As for why the drugs you listed are illegal, it's because even small amounts of them can seriously mess people up. They're more addictive then nicotine and induce more chemical changes in the mind then alcohol. Both of which substances btw are heavily fined and regulated and when abused carry strict and harsh punishemts. I personally would have no problems if both were illegal but there are many many people who would because they've grown so accustom to them being legal. It's easier to prevent then retract, and with smoking and drinking already causing so many problems, why legalize things that would only do the same or worse.

[DrivenTooFar]

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All I want to know is, why are we rewriting the same thread that was done and locked 2 months ago? You either smoke pot or you don't, who cares which one you choose.

[Ameroth]

Re: Marijuana

Drugs are stupid. Plenty of information out there about that--it's not a secret. Some people make a stupid choice about the drugs, and I'm supposed to respect that choice?

Smoke? Cough. Liquor? Gag. Needle? Ouch. Put powders in nose? You've gotta be kidding me.

Even a child knows that.

Now, if you want understanding, sure. I'm all for it. To the point of willing to pay a little more tax to help fund treatment for the likes of the OP, even.

Not willing to cuddle stupidity, but willing to help lessen its consequences is a pretty fair and generous position, I'd think.

Drugs are stupid because who says so? You do? The government does? What about people who make responsible choices to take a drug? I know it's hard to fathom, but there are more people out there than me who take and use drugs responsibly. I have never gotten behind the wheel of my car under any influence of any amount of any drug. I get high in my room and mind my own business. I'm sure you think I'm stupid though. I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is against your own moral values? I'm stupid because I choose to do an activity that is illegal?

Ok. So I take a drug that is legal. Let's say I choose to responsibly smoke Salvia divinorum. It's a legal drug in almost all municipalities around the world that has some potential to be abused. But I use it in a safe and responsible manner, use a sober sitter, and stay confined in my house/room/apartment/whatever. Am I still stupid? Have I hurt anyone? Have I caused any trouble or misdeed?

Another tangent: Nicotine is a drug, a damned addictive one at that. It gives some users a mild buzz, and again, it's insanely addictive, and the government makes millions on taxes from it. Alcohol is legal. Alcohol is a toxin that can damage your liver and brain, and make users under the influence do some dumb things. I know this horse has been beaten to death, but why are either of these drugs legal while other drugs like cannabis, or psilocybin mushrooms, or LSD illegal?

[Murphie]

Re: Marijuana

I have no interest in drugs personally, but I don't care what other people do. As long as they don't do it around me, it's not my problem.