Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

Draco was saying that a main-brand computer that Costs X would cost X/3 if the consumer used the same prices and specs. . . .

Exactly.

I'm staunchly against Alienware because they add pretty lights that pique our darkness-loving gamer senses and charge excess of 2000 buckaroos for that and like, liquid-nitrogen coolant or some shit like that. . . .

I am definitely not staunchly against Alienware, myself. BUT, I do agree overall.

I'm not a computer techie in terms of what are the best parts and stuff, it's all numbers to me. Yet, I'm concerned about functionality, and for $7000, my computer better be able to hack into NASA by pressing one button, fix me a smoothie, write my thesis, make my bed, clean my room, construct me sandwhiches, give me blowjobs, and recreate all that hentai I download into fully 3-D interactivite smut-fests, cause the only game I play is FFXI. . .

I play plenty of games on my PC. But I still agree. I'm sorry, but anyone who would even pay $3k for a computer better hope to their creator they can hack into NASA and send a satellite to earth-without NASA even knowing until its too late. Its just ridiculous paying so much for something you can get much cheaper and that'll be phased out in a few years. But, that's a techie for you. (One who has built and repaired computers here and there, mind you!)

So I hope you do more than play Farcry and UT09 on that behemoth of Transformer breaking magnitude. Cause you could import a lot of mail-order brides for $7k, and be a lot more happier >.>

Let us not embaress our dear behemoths and transformers, that Alienware computer must be the size of a sun!

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

Oh, I meant transformers as in the power amplifiers that are the cornerstone for the electric current regulators in our neighborhoods. But I suppose since they were products of the 80s, yes, even maybe a Nintendo DS could hack Optimus Prime, maybe.

Oh and by no means did I mean to bash cschmidt1.1. He''s simply doing what he wants with HIS money. I'm sure that if I had the fortune of being in contact of that much disposable income, I'd probably spend it on something else. . . .

Cause you could import a lot of mail-order brides for $7k, and be a lot more happier >.>

But if creating supercomputers capable of spontaneously creating OSes that can instantaneously rewrite Windows in the event of an error is your passion, then go for it.

[Medalink]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

You want power?


[1] Area-51® m7700

Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 670 Desktop Processor w/ HT Technology 3.8GHz 800MHz FSB 2MB
Operating System (Office software not included): Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2
Display: 17" WideXGA+ 1440 x 900 LCD Display
Motherboard: Intel® 915P PCI-Express Chipset
Video/Graphics Card: 256MB NVidia® GeForce™ Go 7800 GTX
Memory: 3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 533MHz - 2 x 512MB / 2 x 1024MB
Hard Drive: Single Drive Configuration - 120GB 5400 RPM ATA100
Primary CD ROM/DVD ROM: 8X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW / 24X CD-RW Combo w/Software
Floppy Drive: USB Floppy Drive
Wireless Network Card: Internal Wireless 802.11b/g miniPCI Card
Communications: Integrated 10/1000Mb Gigabit Ethernet & 56K V.92 Modem
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy® 2 ZS PCMCIA
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia™ 2.1 200-Watt THX® Speakers
Primary Battery: Alienware® m7700 12-cell Lithium-Ion Smart Battery Pack
Additional Battery: Alienware® m7700 12-cell Lithium-Ion Additional Battery
Mouse: Logitech® G5 Laser Gaming Mouse
TV Tuner: Alienware® m7700 Mini PCI TV Tuner
Warranty: 90-Day AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support
Alienware Exclusive Offers: GameFly - Unlimited Game Rentals for 15 days - FREE TRIAL
Alienware Exclusive Offers: Gamespot Complete - Free 90-day Trial (a $20.85 value)
Free Alienware T-Shirt: Free Alienware® T-Shirt - White
Free Alienware Mousepad: Free Alienware® Mousepad
Desktop Enhancements: Exclusive AlienGUIse Theme Manager

To put that much power itnto a laptop its gonna cost you: $4,313.00
As things get smaller they get harder to make. Laptops are going in the mobile direction as they should. Why do you need to play a game while "mobile" ? I mean its a luxury yes, and like all luxerys it costs alot.

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[cschmidt1.1]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

Not quite.

I can get 4 1GB DDR2-SDRAM modules for $75ea. (Crucial.com), a 500GB HDD for $500 (Tigerdirect.com) (or I can get 3 200GB HDD for about $20-$100 ea. at Best Buy), a full-sized tower barebone kit for a measily $100-$200 (Newegg.com), a 600watt-PSU for $125.00 (Tigerdirect.com), an nVidia Geforce 7800 GTX for $450 (Tigerdirect.com). So far, that's $1,500-$1,800. As for your AMD, keep it. I'll go Pentium or Xeon instead. (I also would like to add if you pay more than $300 for a computer that has less speed in the processor than 3.2ghz, you're easily being ripped off.)

(That's not even including any discounts or rebates I can get in the process either.)

I was actually using parts alot better then what you mentioned there, the CPU alone is over a thousand US (AMD FX-60 is the best CPU on the market, sure it only runs at 2.6GHz but if you think that clock speed is the only thing that makes a CPU run faster then you got another thing coming, this CPU takes a dump on Pentium), and the video card was for around 500 - 600, again I used ATI x1900 which blows 7900 out of the water and it was DUAL in crossfire so really $1000 - $1400. There is no doubt in hell Alienware is a ripoff, I prefer custom built all the way.

I wouldn't buy this system however because I have no use for it, sure I'm a gamer but that is overkillx10. I am just stating that you couldn't build THAT computer with THOSE pieces of hardware for $1300-$1400 (Since you earlier stated that a 9k system on Alienware can be built for that much)
I also had top of the line speakers, Windows XP Pro, and few things not listed that added it to around 9k.

[kuu]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

You want power?


[1] Area-51® m7700

Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 670 Desktop Processor w/ HT Technology 3.8GHz 800MHz FSB 2MB
Operating System (Office software not included): Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2
Display: 17" WideXGA+ 1440 x 900 LCD Display
Motherboard: Intel® 915P PCI-Express Chipset
Video/Graphics Card: 256MB NVidia® GeForce™ Go 7800 GTX
Memory: 3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 533MHz - 2 x 512MB / 2 x 1024MB
Hard Drive: Single Drive Configuration - 120GB 5400 RPM ATA100
Primary CD ROM/DVD ROM: 8X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW / 24X CD-RW Combo w/Software
Floppy Drive: USB Floppy Drive
Wireless Network Card: Internal Wireless 802.11b/g miniPCI Card
Communications: Integrated 10/1000Mb Gigabit Ethernet & 56K V.92 Modem
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy® 2 ZS PCMCIA
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia™ 2.1 200-Watt THX® Speakers
Primary Battery: Alienware® m7700 12-cell Lithium-Ion Smart Battery Pack
Additional Battery: Alienware® m7700 12-cell Lithium-Ion Additional Battery
Mouse: Logitech® G5 Laser Gaming Mouse
TV Tuner: Alienware® m7700 Mini PCI TV Tuner
Warranty: 90-Day AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support
Alienware Exclusive Offers: GameFly - Unlimited Game Rentals for 15 days - FREE TRIAL
Alienware Exclusive Offers: Gamespot Complete - Free 90-day Trial (a $20.85 value)
Free Alienware T-Shirt: Free Alienware® T-Shirt - White
Free Alienware Mousepad: Free Alienware® Mousepad
Desktop Enhancements: Exclusive AlienGUIse Theme Manager

To put that much power itnto a laptop its gonna cost you: $4,313.00
As things get smaller they get harder to make. Laptops are going in the mobile direction as they should. Why do you need to play a game while "mobile" ? I mean its a luxury yes, and like all luxerys it costs alot.

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Though the new apple model 2/3rd as much almost with similar specs and better battery life, and most likely thinner.

But then apple is using core duo which puts out half the watt usage as a P4, though the problem is old games aren't multi threaded, so the core duo loses a lot of it's power on that level.

I believe sony and dell are doing core duo mobiles too, but not quite as fancy as apple so far.

Sticking powerful beefy things into a mobile is a stupid idea, we knew that ever since apple and sony slimmed down their laptops to under 5lbs, with 5hr battery life and since then everyone was doing it.

Putting anything as crazy as P4 or althon 64 would give off enough heat and drain it to bitty peices.

Building a laptop is not the same as building a desktop, You gotta do a lot a things in a laptop that takes skilled engeering effort before you even get the components.

We pay premium for that, or we would all be playing with a coaster...I've seen an over used laptop catch on fire in the wrong conditions.

And 7k? That's not really much money. I think some people haven't seen the professional world yet.

The reason we don't have 7k computers is because after you hit 3-5k, it's a waste and instead go into specialized hardware for specialized things.

Servers, clusters, media systems.

Anyone who pays that much for a gaming system is stroking their thing for braging rights.

It's much easier to do it through special HW + programing, if you need that much power.

Like say the animation world. I don't Buy a super powerful machine to render in Maya, I buy a bunch of cheapy ones and cluster it.

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

(AMD FX-60 is the best CPU on the market, sure it only runs at 2.6GHz but if you think that clock speed is the only thing that makes a CPU run faster then you got another thing coming, this CPU takes a dump on Pentium)

Then they should build as such. I don't say clock speed is the only thing that matters, never had. However, if they want to make something out of their own processors-they should quit pissing on the clock speed just for a few 'added features'. That's my biggest thing about AMD, they claim they can make a 2.0ghz processor run as fast as a 3.2ghz with a bunch of other stuff, yet they're unwilling to make a 3.4ghz processor of the same. Its just as stupid as having a dual-motherboard so you can add 2 1.8ghz processors to make it work like a 3.6ghz when you can buy two Intel Xeon 3.8ghz processors having it operate at 7.6ghz. Sorry!

(No matter though, I already having a friend working on getting me a motherboard that would handle the new Cell processor.)

[WishMaster3K]

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(No matter though, I already having a friend working on getting me a motherboard that would handle the new Cell processor.)

You dirty, dirty bastard.

I'm gonna buy the PS3 and go totally Dev on that shit. The PS3 will be the last computer I need to buy for like. . . . ever.

[kuu]

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Then they should build as such. I don't say clock speed is the only thing that matters, never had. However, if they want to make something out of their own processors-they should quit pissing on the clock speed just for a few 'added features'. That's my biggest thing about AMD, they claim they can make a 2.0ghz processor run as fast as a 3.2ghz with a bunch of other stuff, yet they're unwilling to make a 3.4ghz processor of the same. Its just as stupid as having a dual-motherboard so you can add 2 1.8ghz processors to make it work like a 3.6ghz when you can buy two Intel Xeon 3.8ghz processors having it operate at 7.6ghz. Sorry!

(No matter though, I already having a friend working on getting me a motherboard that would handle the new Cell processor.)

Spoken like a true novice...

My cordless can do 3.2ghz too!

Until you learn the intricacies of what your computer does...refrain from making rash comments like that.

for one thing...getting anything above a certain mhz on sillicon is a physics impossibility, another is you need to find a way without acceptable bounds of cooling. Anyone have a fridge around?

[cschmidt1.1]

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(No matter though, I already having a friend working on getting me a motherboard that would handle the new Cell processor.)

Lucky bastard

I believe that is pure overkill lol, you wouldn't need another CPU for like years.

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

You dirty, dirty bastard.

I'm gonna buy the PS3 and go totally Dev on that shit. The PS3 will be the last computer I need to buy for like. . . . ever.

I'm buying 2 PS3s probably. I do know that however the Cell processor is also supposedly designed to work even better with the nVidia Geforce 7800GTX video card also.

kuu-if you want to talk about cordless phones, not knowing we're talking about cycles per second here, not a frequency-be my guest, but don't call me a novice when you know absolutely nothing about me.

[bside]

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Spoken like a true novice...

My cordless can do 3.2ghz too!

Until you learn the intricacies of what your computer does...refrain from making rash comments like that.

for one thing...getting anything above a certain mhz on sillicon is a physics impossibility, another is you need to find a way without acceptable bounds of cooling. Anyone have a fridge around?

and i just bought the wireless router that can do 5.2GHz!!

anyways, just to back this post up, clock speed is only one of the many factors that determine the CPU's actual "power," and byitself won't tell anything. the faster the clock speed, the better it operates only if when compared the CPU's of the same core. AMD has taken different approach in order to gain more power for their CPU's, not that they couldn't get more clock speed.


i have Mazda's RX-8, and according to the "normal" measure its RENESIS engine is of only 1.3-liter size. but in reality, it obviously frives faster (overall, that is) than those 1.5-liter engine cars, or even 2.0-liters. why? because the RENESIS engine uses the different mechanism, and the size of the engine in measurement of liters doesn't tell its true power. (btw, spec says it has 250hp.)

though not as "rare" as RENESIS, AMD CPU currently in market is basically the same; using different "mechanism" in order to create even better, faster CPU's.

[Draco Dagon]

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Lucky bastard

I believe that is pure overkill lol, you wouldn't need another CPU for like years.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The Cell CPU is currently the most advanced processor/microprocessor we have to date, in the private market, and even militaristically. (Yes, the Cell is going to be used in military hardware.) But come on, a processor can only be so good so long until something faster comes out. That's the great thing about competition and technology working together, people were saying ten years ago that we wouldn't be where we are today in terms of speed-yet we're already working at an entirely new generation of speed. (Billions of cycles per second and only getting better.)

Alas, so long as there's demand-there's the resources, but the technology-is always there. Theoretically, however, where we are today-we should've been back in the 70s. We should of had our first colony on the Mars by the time the 21st-Century came around. Unfortunately, man isn't greedy enough to expediate such measures.

[cschmidt1.1]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The Cell CPU is currently the most advanced processor/microprocessor we have to date, in the private market, and even militaristically. (Yes, the Cell is going to be used in military hardware.) But come on, a processor can only be so good so long until something faster comes out. That's the great thing about competition and technology working together, people were saying ten years ago that we wouldn't be where we are today in terms of speed-yet we're already working at an entirely new generation of speed. (Billions of cycles per second and only getting better.)

Alas, so long as there's demand-there's the resources, but the technology-is always there. Theoretically, however, where we are today-we should've been back in the 70s. We should of had our first colony on the Mars by the time the 21st-Century came around. Unfortunately, man isn't greedy enough to expediate such measures.

Hrm yes and no, the trend at the moment seems to see technological improvement slow down, it's mainly recycling older stuff and maker it better.
I'm also quite aware that this technology we are using now was thought of and made many many years ago, they just don't want to give it to us straight away, instead draw it out as long as possible squeezing every penny they can.

And NASA has no plans to land on Mars whatsoever I think, there is really nothing beneficial to it and the costs would be so high it's just not worth it.

[Draco Dagon]

Re: Next gen mobile technology not next gen gaming friendly?

Hrm yes and no, the trend at the moment seems to see technological improvement slow down, it's mainly recycling older stuff and maker it better.
I'm also quite aware that this technology we are using now was thought of and made many many years ago, they just don't want to give it to us straight away, instead draw it out as long as possible squeezing every penny they can.

And NASA has no plans to land on Mars whatsoever I think, there is really nothing beneficial to it and the costs would be so high it's just not worth it.

I'll tell you this, NASA can only take us so far. The rest will come from a certain leader in military blackboxes. And when push comes to shove, this blackbox will make NASA look like an out-dated computer store to put it simple.

[kuu]

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I'm buying 2 PS3s probably. I do know that however the Cell processor is also supposedly designed to work even better with the nVidia Geforce 7800GTX video card also.

kuu-if you want to talk about cordless phones, not knowing we're talking about cycles per second here, not a frequency-be my guest, but don't call me a novice when you know absolutely nothing about me.

Your remarks speak for yourself.
you remarks on clock speed:

1: a wheel that spins twice as fast doesn't mean it moves twice as fast, the bigger the wheel, the more it needs to complete a rotation, or the heaver, etc.

2: throwing things faster doesn't mean it's hit as fast. Branch prediction, the more mhz you're planning to throw, and the deeper it is, the more it can mess up. Intel has put considerible effort in branch predicting wiht their high clocked P4s.

3:Heat and votage, the bigger the hotter, the faster the hotter, the more votage = boom, very delicate.

The CPU are not trivial. one of the more obvious differences between Althon64 vs FX besides the core is memy bus speed is crazy. Your remarks there are completely screwed, FX series is what it's there to do, different from 64 series.

You comment on multi processing...is almost a dead ringer on bad info here...

2 Xeons is realistically impossible to achieve 200% of 1 xeon, heck usually 150% is good. Nor can 2 cpus work magically well together, it depends on how both the CPU, mobo, software, controller are built.

Simply put 2ghz x2 does not equal 4ghz. Some can do it better then others, some won't even add.