New AMD chips this month?

[tnt118]

A couple of months back AMD was planning on releasing new chips in September. I'm going to buy an XP2800, but figured the price would drop after the new chips are released. Has anyone heard if these chips are indeed going to be released this month? Or if that got pushed back?

[aerobahn]

Yup they are suppose to be out soon, unless its another paper launch.....:mad:

[Doppelganger]

what will it be, an atholon xps that uses 3gh? not much of a release if that is the case.

[aerobahn]

ATHLON 64 biznatch!:p

[aerobahn]

pretty sure they were gonna start at 1.8 to 2.2

and yes thats 64 BITS!!!!!

[Doppelganger]

64 bit... a bit late on amd's part.. intel had the itanium chips 5-8 years back(64 bit but 300-800mh)... then they came out with itanium 2 chips (fastest is 1.4 or so gh)... im pretty sure they will coming out with a mass produced itanium 3 chip for use in pcs in order to combat both amd and apple/ibm(800mh 64bit apple processor that does some serious floats a second). think that it will be over 2.4gh aerobahn, or is it still in design stage?

[aerobahn]

well yes its true that Intel was first...but that was for the server market. the first itanium was a horrible slap in the face.WHY? cause it was a slow POS.


The difference with AMD is that its a 32/64 bit core where you can run both 32 and 64 bit apps. Which allows you to run all your old apps. The Itanium is pure 64 bit sorry your gonna need an all new OS's, new drivers, apps ect... not to mention that the AMD64 it is infact faster and higher bus speeds than the intel itanium not to mention about 10000% less expensive. Plus they are gearing twords the desktop market. last but not least 1.8- 2.2ghz..... remeber that means 2800+ to 3200+ athlon speed wise. right after expect high speeds. but i could be wrong...

[Doppelganger]

it's actually used in workstations more than servers(xeon is much cheaper total costs including os and other crap). unless you like blackbox or linux, microsoft has got you covered for that type of chip. Win xp 64-bit edition and windows server 2003 64-bit edition work. as for itanium 2 needing new programs, im afraid you might be wrong for once i have seen those run normal 32bit apps as well as 16bit apps(who uses 16bit apps for the comercial world though?) it is an expensive chip though, hence the mass-production (more is usually cheaper when manufacturing, but you know that better than me right?) of a new type of itanium that is faster and more compatible with current gaming market (like a good graphics card, not just the workstation ones). i thought that the athalon chips ran 400-500 mh below the intel counterparts, it doesn't make sense that the athalon 1900+ ran at 1.4 and the 3200+ runs at 2.2. if worst comes to worst, get a g5 (i think, that or g4) processor using mac (64-bit, but only 8gigs of ram using dual processors, while it should be able to use 16 like the itanium chips)


i did say that the itanium chips were slow. the highest was the speed of a p2, the highest itanium 2 is that of a p3. hopefully the next gen itanium will be p4 speeds and the 800mh bus(or whatever they get out)


just a quick flashback, remember when they said the the limit for a chip was 1gh? they thought that is would run too hot, but now rd ram runs faster, and bus speeds will soon be availiable to normal consumers with higher than 1gh bus. you also remember about why the chips that are x86 have 64kb running it?

[LifeofEternity]

Will that make one that supports DDR-II ram by next summer? What is the benifit of DDR-II ram> I mean what are it's specs compared to DDR ram?

[aerobahn]

Originally posted by Doppelganger
it's actually used in workstations more than servers(xeon is much cheaper total costs including os and other crap). unless you like blackbox or linux, microsoft has got you covered for that type of chip. Win xp 64-bit edition and windows server 2003 64-bit edition work. as for itanium 2 needing new programs, im afraid you might be wrong for once i have seen those run normal 32bit apps as well as 16bit apps(who uses 16bit apps for the comercial world though?) it is an expensive chip though, hence the mass-production (more is usually cheaper when manufacturing, but you know that better than me right?) of a new type of itanium that is faster and more compatible with current gaming market (like a good graphics card, not just the workstation ones). i thought that the athalon chips ran 400-500 mh below the intel counterparts, it doesn't make sense that the athalon 1900+ ran at 1.4 and the 3200+ runs at 2.2. if worst comes to worst, get a g5 (i think, that or g4) processor using mac (64-bit, but only 8gigs of ram using dual processors, while it should be able to use 16 like the itanium chips)


i did say that the itanium chips were slow. the highest was the speed of a p2, the highest itanium 2 is that of a p3. hopefully the next gen itanium will be p4 speeds and the 800mh bus(or whatever they get out)


just a quick flashback, remember when they said the the limit for a chip was 1gh? they thought that is would run too hot, but now rd ram runs faster, and bus speeds will soon be availiable to normal consumers with higher than 1gh bus. you also remember about why the chips that are x86 have 64kb running it?

Do you work with itaniums?I itaniums are 64 bit natevly . Lacking FULL support for a 32bit os. As for running 32 bit apps the OS emulates an enviroment for it and is run in a crappy software mode. So in other words its not running to its fullest. Ever try to run an itanium on windows 98? HAHAHAHA!!! Athlon 64 has full support for 32 bit apps. Meaning you can it will run at its fullest no emulation or anything in both 64 and 32 bit modes. So i cannot run down the street plop a few G's on nice new shiny Itanium and run winxp and enjoy my FFXI. I can however get my Athon 64 and it would run winXP like it was an athlon xp

As for buying the newest Itanium comming out. I would wait till after the prescott release. Intel is letting AMD test the waters before it launches its 64bt desktop CPU

[Doppelganger]

k.. now i know that amd is the test subject for amd, that may backfire though..... pretty soon amd will out do intel unless intel gets their chip out soon after.

anyway, the ps2 emulates the ps1 with 99% effectiveness. i wouldn't mind that (specially if the games never crash, eventhough it may be slower).
the amd chips will suggest windows xp 64-bit though right?

[aerobahn]

Originally posted by Doppelganger
k.. now i know that amd is the test subject for amd, that may backfire though..... pretty soon amd will out do intel unless intel gets their chip out soon after.

anyway, the ps2 emulates the ps1 with 99% effectiveness. i wouldn't mind that (specially if the games never crash, eventhough it may be slower).
the amd chips will suggest windows xp 64-bit though right?

The ps2 has actual hardware dedicated to that task. And yes I and AMD would recommend as would any right minded person get Windows 64 for the AMD64. Their is almost a double in bandwidth. if you could get 64 bit drivers, a 64 bit game, and a 64 bit os, The new AMD would SMASH INTELs newer CPUs in the ground and then take a long XXXX on them, followed by a XXXX and a XXXX with some more XXXX then bend over and XXXX the XXXX out of them.

xxxx= bad stuff

[Doppelganger]

i hope intel gets their 64bit cpu out soon to prevent getting:
|2 4 P 3 |>.... hope you can read the new jersey version of l337 language.

[aerobahn]

I hope they do get a good beating.

I like intels bandwidth, I use to have and AMD 2100+, But anything after that was a total ripp! Amd couldnt keep stable increments of 100mhz. If they did they would be on the top right now. Instead from a 2500+ to a 2600+ was like 10mhz!!!! LOL

But one thing Intel does is over price WAAAAYYYYY too much i hope they get a good trashing so they lower their prices...

[Doppelganger]

with intel, you get better quality for price though. look at your 2.8 processor being overclocked by 800mh (im sure you can go higher, with a bit of instability though). the most i hear an amd being overclocked is to whatever xp# it is. like a 2500 being pushed to 2.5gh (that is a 500mh increase i think).

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