Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

[Mog]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

But why in the hell would anyone keep treasure chests in the middle of a freaking beach?

The same reason Skeletons are alive.

[Ziero]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I wouldn't call "1 chest and 1 coffer up per dungeon" a lot. Doesn't really make any difference if they're present in every dungeon. Compare that to any console RPG dungeon which will probably have at the very least 3 chests and probably more along the lines of 5-10 depending on the size of the dungeon.

And unlike Offline RPGs, the chests in this game repop every 15-20 minutes. Meaning there's an infinite amount per dungeon. But in FFXI they're in every BCNM, every assault, including multiples in Nyzul, and almost every dungeon and cave. Treasure Chests are not something this game lacks, so it's kind of "Bwha?" to me to add more so randomly.

1- Because it's an RPG. In most RPGs, this means the HEROES OF THE LAND go around looting people's houses for spare potions.
2- Because it's final flipping fantasy.

I would totally love to be able to loot some NPC houses for cash and items. It would make my job as a Thf all that more enjoyable. As of now Steal doesn't really get any use until 75, so little quirks like picking locks are what remind me that my job is that of a low down dirty criminal.

It was safe and sound in the bedroom until a crab wandered in and stole it. Happens all the time.

I bet Bernie had a hand in this, he's tired of people stealing the clocks he so rightfully stole so now he's expanding his criminal activities to stealing everything else in people's houses!

P.S. I always thought the clock you get from Bernie should be a displayable piece of Furniture.

[Durahansolo]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I have a question too.

How come fish in this game fly instead of swim?

I think it also applies to most FF titles.

Are all flying fish aggressive?

I think its more like they float or hover. A better question would be would they be more powerful if you fought them inside of the water instead of on beaches or near water?

[Ziero]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I have a question too.

How come fish in this game fly instead of swim?

I think it also applies to most FF titles.

Are all flying fish aggressive?

I wonder the same thing and it hurts my brain! We need more half submerged battlegrounds. Though Taru might have a tendency to drown in deep water...

The same reason Skeletons are alive.

They're not alive, they're just held together and magically reanimated by some twisted curse or a deep hatred of the living. What I don't get is why are undead dogs dead if there was no living dog in the first place?

[Armando]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

And unlike Offline RPGs, the chests in this game repop every 15-20 minutes. Meaning there's an infinite amount per dungeon. But in FFXI they're in every BCNM, every assault, including multiples in Nyzul, and almost every dungeon and cave. Treasure Chests are not something this game lacks, so it's kind of "Bwha?" to add more so randomly.

Obviously there's an infinite amount of chests, that's kind of like saying "there's an infinite amount of mobs per dungeon" - it's true, but it's a trivial statement. For all practical purposes there are X mobs in a zone, not an infinity. If there were 2 mobs per zone, would you say there's a lot of mobs in FFXI simply because you can find mobs in practically every non-town zone?

How many chests there are in total in the whole world is irrelevant because when you go chest hunting, you don't search the whole world, you search a zone. But even if you wanted to play off that angle, because other RPGs have multiple chests in every dungeon too (and often out in the field as well,) FFXI still comes up short when compared to the total number of chests in the whole world in other games. BCNM chests don't even count. They're not any different from a Rune of Transfer; you talk to it after completing your objective to conclude the event. You don't have to search for it, much less have a means of unlocking it.

The fact is that FFXI zones are highly devoid of chests. Any dungeon zone will have either 1 or 2 treasure containers at most, 0 if someone popped them, regardless of how expansive the dungeon is.

Also, considering the nature of the locked chests, I wouldn't be surprised if THF can't force them open.

[Callisto]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

Screw your treasure, make the chests give Conquest Points and I'll be excited.

[Armando]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

No need for that, they could just make Expeditionary Force trio-able and you could rake in 7.5k CP doing the Cape Terrigan one, or 5k doing Altepa/Xarcabard/Yhoator.

[little ninja]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I can see it now, find a chest and as your figuring out the combo get aggro and die. Sounds interesting but yet a part of me feels like this really wont catch on. You just know the special chests will be just as bad as rare drops.

Most areas will still be player free with the exception of a farmer or a passer by.

[Durahansolo]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I can see it now, find a chest and as your figuring out the combo get aggro and die.

So pretty much there's not too much difference from finding the keys and opening coffers.

[Callisto]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

No need for that, they could just make Expeditionary Force trio-able and you could rake in 7.5k CP doing the Cape Terrigan one, or 5k doing Altepa/Xarcabard/Yhoator.

It's been a very long time since I tried EF, but I distinctly remember it mauling the hell out of my group.

[Armando]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

Doesn't seem too hard but the party member requirements are really annoying.

Actually, on the topic of EFs, it may be possible to cheat the system.

You can also gain influence in the Region by going to the local regional dungeons and opening treasure chests and coffers. This only counts while you have that Region's EF Insignia. Since you carry the insignia until the next conquest tally, you have until then to open any chests and coffers (in other words, it doesn't need to be done in the middle of your EF battles).

If you and your group are able to influence the region enough that it is controlled by your country at the next conquest tally, you can then go to your National Conquest Guard to receive your reward, which is a large number of Conquest Points.

Maybe you could sign up for an EF in a region you know your nation's going to take by the next tally anyways, pop a couple of chests in the local dungeon and get the CP reward? (If we're really lucky maybe you don't even have to lift a finger and you'll get your reward so long as the zone is taken over by your nation, but I doubt that.)

[Callisto]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

I actually will look into that when I level my mule's THF a bit more, I need CP on that character for the Bastok CP Bolt, and I could just pick the coffers.

[Ziero]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

Obviously there's an infinite amount of chests, that's kind of like saying "there's an infinite amount of mobs per dungeon" - it's true, but it's a trivial statement. For all practical purposes there are X mobs in a zone, not an infinity. If there were 2 mobs per zone, would you say there's a lot of mobs in FFXI simply because you can find mobs in practically every non-town zone?

How many chests there are in total in the whole world is irrelevant because when you go chest hunting, you don't search the whole world, you search a zone. But even if you wanted to play off that angle, because other RPGs have multiple chests in every dungeon too (and often out in the field as well,) FFXI still comes up short when compared to the total number of chests in the whole world in other games. BCNM chests don't even count. They're not any different from a Rune of Transfer; you talk to it after completing your objective to conclude the event. You don't have to search for it, much less have a means of unlocking it.

The fact is that FFXI zones are highly devoid of chests. Any dungeon zone will have either 1 or 2 treasure containers at most, 0 if someone popped them, regardless of how expansive the dungeon is.

...are you actually trying to argue that there is a lack of treasure chests in this game? Treasure chests aren't some rare, wonderous experience that only a few players will ever be fortunate enough to stumble upon, they're a damn near requirement for most players in this game. And in the off chance you do happen upon a dungeon with no treasure chests currently availible, all you have to do is wait 20 minutes and another set will be right along, probably even less after the update.

Once I open a chest in an offline RPG, it's gone for good, once I open a chest in FFXI, I can open another in a few minutes. If I can walk into QSC with a stack of keys, then walk out an hour later with 30k gil and a brand new map, then it's hard to say the place is "devoid" of treasure. And seeing how many times I'll run into these things on my War where I can't just pop the lock, then again I start getting the feeling that there's plenty of Chests to go around.

I can see it now, find a chest and as your figuring out the combo get aggro and die. Sounds interesting but yet a part of me feels like this really wont catch on. You just know the special chests will be just as bad as rare drops.

Most areas will still be player free with the exception of a farmer or a passer by.

That's exactly how treasure chests work now, what's the difference? And with the new Fields of Valor system, it's pretty clear the old areas will be seeing a lot of new life (as if most of them weren't crowded enough with level sync)

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

So ffew chests? Every single dungeon and cave of the original game and first two expansions had chests and coffers, almost always up. Many of them were required in quests of all types and levels as well as some holding some pretty decent items. There was never a lack of Chests in this game, and suddenly throwing them out into open fields just seems down right pointless. I can understand why there'd be a treasure chest in some deep corner of an old fort or buried in the darkest depths of a forgotten cave. But why in the hell would anyone keep treasure chests in the middle of a freaking beach? This entire idea just seems a bit pointless to me. Though I do like the concept of a puzzle lock, unless it's something that can be done solo it wouldn't be worth it.

Also, Thfs better be able to pick these damn things.

Oh look. It's Ziero arguing for arguments sake. Nothing to see here.

[Callisto]

Re: Troves of New Treasures Await You! (12/02/2008)

...are you actually trying to argue that there is a lack of treasure chests in this game? Treasure chests aren't some rare, wonderous experience that only a few players will ever be fortunate enough to stumble upon, they're a damn near requirement for most players in this game. And in the off chance you do happen upon a dungeon with no treasure chests currently availible, all you have to do is wait 20 minutes and another set will be right along, probably even less after the update.

Once I open a chest in an offline RPG, it's gone for good, once I open a chest in FFXI, I can open another in a few minutes. If I can walk into QSC with a stack of keys, then walk out an hour later with 30k gil and a brand new map, then it's hard to say the place is "devoid" of treasure. And seeing how many times I'll run into these things on my War where I can't just pop the lock, then again I start getting the feeling that there's plenty of Chests to go around.

The difference is in a console game there's a chest in every nook and cranny of a dungeon, there's always some secret path to find that leads you to a stockpile of chests with some meds and some rare and powerful gear. In FFXI there is one or two chests in a dungeon with 8~ spawn points each, and you're never going to open a chest to find an Enhancing Sword or Assault Breastplate, at best you're going to get 15k gil or a Topaz.