The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

[MrMageo]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

That is still shitty, I fight a battle and swap between waves, does this mean I am breaking the rules? I used to get 6-8K/hr when crapaign first started, by doing all the stuff RDM could do then swapping tags and continuing, I still do that but am down to 3-4K/hr with the way mobs and battles go. These /whm and /brd probably get 1-2K/hr if that by standing next to the guy bfd.

[Aksannyi]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

The people who spam do it like every 2 minutes. It takes like 20 songs total to cap on /BRD (I think, not sure on that) and it's very quick to do that, get new tags, cap again, get new tags, cap again! Etc. They probably want to halt that, to make that a lot less worthwhile than actually participating.

[MrMageo]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

Oh I understand why they want to do it. Its just not overly fair to those of us who campaign to have either our ability to swap tags drastically reduced or the spells themselves. Oh well I think september is my last month, especially if RDM gets over looked again. I don't care about a melee update but 4 years of watching every other job gain abilities that are much like ours and getting nothing sucks. I mean the only thing we have that no one else can get is convert, and teir 2 enfeebles, while every job has caught us mage wise, and heavily surpassed us melee wise, we are still held back because SE decided we were to strong because we could solo stuff. Thats a pretty weak reason o keep our party performance under par.

[BurningPanther]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

I don't care about a melee update but

Fuuuuck THAT. Gimme my damn update.


But back on topic, did you know that there is a 60-second null period from the moment you get your tags? For the first minute of Allied Tag activity, any actions you participate in receive no points. I found it out from a fellow shell mate, and confirmed it when I refreshed tags, buffed up in the first sixty seconds, and found, two seconds after when Campaign concluded, that I'd received no points.

I wonder if their methods to discourage botting are at all based on this tidbit of info.

[MrMageo]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

Ya I did know that acctually having tested it myself, When campaign first started you could also get get exp for killing nerby mobs that were TW. I used to fight birds leeches beatles in Jugner before the first wave swap tags and repeat during time between waves etc. 40 exp for TW is pretty nice ^^.

[Balfree]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

So you're saying:

"Gimme back my exp for no work." ?

[MrMageo]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

not at all im saying why should I get my exp cut because a dozen ppl per server found a loop hole its BS. I go to campaign and tank,buff,debuff,enfeeble,nuke,heal, melee. hell I solo mobs while groups fight others, and others like me and myself may get slapped in the face.

[Malacite]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

It's closer to 30/40 seconds actually. As it stands I can cast 6 barspells and rest 2 tics (the equivalent of about 30 seconds) and cancel tags for 90 EXP with my Wings of Honor $$$$. And it's something I wish SE would get rid of in addition to them nerfing tag spamming. I absolutely hate how long it takes to "cap" on some types. I can't count the number of times I've warped in, done a few thousand dmg and then gotten next to nothing because the fight ended shortly after.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

Actually it can be simple, just make it so you can only refresh tags once every 15-30 minutes or so.

Good bye, nose. You will be missed. However, in this war to spite my face, there must be casualties.

That would kill Brd buff bots as they'd only get a few hundred exp for botting while allowing real players plenty of time to fill up their caps before switching out.

I guess by "real players", you mean blood tanks, melee, and mages who cast Protect I on the same NPCs over and over and over again.

[Balfree]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

not at all im saying why should I get my exp cut because a dozen ppl per server found a loop hole its BS. I go to campaign and tank,buff,debuff,enfeeble,nuke,heal, melee. hell I solo mobs while groups fight others, and others like me and myself may get slapped in the face.

Do you even know what they're going to do exactly?

[Karinya]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

Hmm... How about "If you didn't take some action on a mob or NPC between getting your tags and cashing them in, you get 0 exp regardless of what you did"? It would at least mean you have to go to the action and back, which would make botting more difficult. But at the same time, people who get tags and buff before engaging would be retroactively validated when they actually participated in the fight.

Of course, it's a little late to make suggestions - they've clearly already decided what they're doing. But I think that would interfere with botting and bot-like abuse of the system, and *not* interfere with any legitimate player, which would be a nice first step.

[Balfree]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

How about the inability to get new tags if the ones you already turned in didn't award you with a certain amount of XP that is impossible to obtain just by sitting there casting stuff due to the cap?

Or, if you turned 1 tag, you cant turn another within 5 minutes, then another 5 minutes again, then 10 minutes... and 10 minutes after that. This should do it...

[Ziero]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

Ya I did know that acctually having tested it myself, When campaign first started you could also get get exp for killing nerby mobs that were TW. I used to fight birds leeches beatles in Jugner before the first wave swap tags and repeat during time between waves etc. 40 exp for TW is pretty nice ^^.

No, you never got anything for killing other mobs outside of Campaign. Ever.

not at all im saying why should I get my exp cut because a dozen ppl per server found a loop hole its BS. I go to campaign and tank,buff,debuff,enfeeble,nuke,heal, melee. hell I solo mobs while groups fight others, and others like me and myself may get slapped in the face.

I guess by "real players", you mean blood tanks, melee, and mages who cast Protect I on the same NPCs over and over and over again.

If you're both getting the majority of your exp from buffs, then you're doing it wrong. Meleeing, tanking, healing and all those other things you have to actually be near the fight to do will take at least 15 minutes to cap out. Especially for Plds and Rdms. If you're doing damage, taking damage, throwing out cures and enfeebles and all that stuff, exp from buff spells will be a drop in the bucket compared to all the other exp you'll gain in actual combat.

[Balfree]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

After all, you have to follow the law even if you were never a perpetrator, so saying something like "why should this happen to me when it's not my fault" isn't valid.

No, you never got anything for killing other mobs outside of Campaign. Ever.

And may I ask, WHAT THE HELL were they doing killing other mobs when everyone's fighting to win the battle, isn't that kind of parasitic?

[Vyuru]

Re: The Campaign Continues! (08/15/2008)

And may I ask, WHAT THE HELL were they doing killing other mobs when everyone's fighting to win the battle, isn't that kind of parasitic?

Bored between waves? Trying to get more exp for attacking mobs weaker than campaign mobs?

Who knows.

That kind of mentality is why some towns are under attack though, and it's rather irksome.