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[Kitalrez]

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Footwork was the best name they could come up with?

Well, I believe "The Zohan" would cause some royalty issues with Adam Sandler. Smell it, smell it, now TASTE it.

[Lmnop]

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Footwork was the best name they could come up with?

[Aksannyi]

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Used my ex's account to log in on the PC to free up my main account, so if one machine finishes first, I can play Aks on either. And this is what I was greeted with in POL. ^_^

Makes me happy to see this.

[Kitalrez]

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Bahamut v1 and v2 are both alliance fights.Waking the Beast has 18 man fights against more powerful versions of the primes, but I don't know if story-wise that's their full power.

No, it's not their full power, (since that would mean they're awakened fully to lay the smack down on Vana'Diel and reduce the terrestrials back to animals). It's done story-wise as "closer" to their full power. Think of it like a pendulum. At the weak end of things is how we face them in regular and tiny sized quests. (I'd guess Trial Size Quests are the very end of the weak spectrum). On the other end of that is Waking the Beast versions and on the tip of that pendulum swing would be fully awake.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Gigas 1: Dude, these new helmets rock!
Gigas 2: I am Judge Magister Gabranth!
Gigas 1: Join me and we shall rule the Galaxy as father and son!
Gigas 2: I see your Shwartz is as big as mine!

[Ziero]

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What, exactly, setup are you talking about using on Fenrir and Diabolos that they're easier?

Then have them be a double edged sword and hurt EVERYONE in the area; make them a "bring them out, they bash crap up, and then go away by themselves" summon like every previous FF.

"They do this with NPCs in game, so obviously when they're talking about things made for player characters outside of the game they'd do the exact same thing."?

I'm not talking about Manaburning if that's what you mean. But both Fenny and Diabolos are easier to access and easier to win then Baha v1 and Alex.

"Oh hai Mr. Bahamoot, I no u only wanna kill all humans, but wuld u mind coming out whenever I call, k?"

Yea, no.

And seeing as they've done this same thing repeatedly, time and time again, showing mixed matched gear in update notes with no regard to class equip restrictions, then yes, they will mix and match gear for update pics with no regard for class equip restrictions. For crying out loud, the elf in the picture in this very update is wearing Whm AND Rdm JSE armor.

[Yellow Mage]

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Drat. I got happy at the prospects of new RDM gear.

If it was gear that served only to make us look more and more like White Mages, then I'm happy of the prospect of not getting it.

. . .

/em glares at Errant.

But, yeah, cool stuff in this update. The Nomad Moogle in Selbina might make me a little less reluctant to take my Tarudin through the Dunes, the furniture stuff is all nice, can't wait to see the new pieces of equipment, new graphics on HELM items and Sea Torques?, 'kitten totally called the Coffee Muffin thing, woot on storing the new Feast Swords, I wonder what level Reprisal is gained, huzzah for Monks and Bards, meh for Group II Merits, Inventory Sort YES PLEASE!!!, and so on.

All in all a nice update.

[Taskmage]

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Bahamut(v1) [is] fought with 6 just like Diabolos and Fenrir and they're still harder fights.

Bahamut v1 and v2 are both alliance fights.

I thought there was an alliance battle where you could fight the awoken avatars?

Waking the Beast has 18 man fights against more powerful versions of the primes, but I don't know if story-wise that's their full power.

[Feba]

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and they're still harder fights.

What, exactly, setup are you talking about using on Fenrir and Diabolos that they're easier?

But Bahamut, Odin and Alexander are destructive gods unleashed to destroy.

Then have them be a double edged sword and hurt EVERYONE in the area; make them a "bring them out, they bash crap up, and then go away by themselves" summon like every previous FF.

It's the same way with NPCs in game.

"They do this with NPCs in game, so obviously when they're talking about things made for player characters outside of the game they'd do the exact same thing."?

[Zempten]

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woot, can update now

[Ziero]

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Diabolos and Fenrir are also huge. And so is EVERY OTHER PRIME AVATAR. Once again, SE's explanation doesn't make sense for ANY of them when you consider that player avatars have ALWAYS been significantly smaller and weaker than the Primes.

Also, I recommend you dictionary the term "basically".

And difficulty, no. Raw power? Yes, they're more powerful because they're made to be taken down by alliances of people. But that doesn't mean they're more challenging.

Diabolos and Fenrir Prime and PUNY compared to Alex, Odin and especially Bahamut. And Bahamut(v1) and Alex are fought with 6 just like Diabolos and Fenrir and they're still harder fights.

And the story reasons COMBINED with the Dev's will are more then enough reasons for those three not to be Summons. Again, Diabolos, Fenrir, Carbuncle and the six elemental avatars wish to help mankind, even when you first fight Diabolos he's doing what he thinks will help. But Bahamut, Odin and Alexander are destructive gods unleashed to destroy.

It makes sense that Odin and Alexander are more powerful. If I recall, they're awakened avatars, which, once awake, spread chaos through Vana'diel.

You don't even actually fight the original six celestial gods; remember, they're still sleeping soundly in their crystals. The primes the player fights are projections of what's sleeping in that crystal, which could imply the projection we fight is still not the celestial god at full power. I imagine if we really were fighting them at full power(re: fully awakened), it'd be much like the Odin and Alexander fights.

In short, I agree with Feba that the devs' reasoning behind certain gods not yielding Blood Pacts is kind of bunk.

I thought there was an alliance battle where you could fight the awoken avatars?
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Ziero, I'm pretty sure that was just COP, wasn't it? I always got the impression that they just hadn't finalized the content yet. I mean, there are some points where you go back into Promyvion after you've completed things that require a high level; it's perfectly possible that SE figured "Hey, maybe after you beat it you go in uncapped" or something.

Nah, they just love to mix and match gear. They go with what looks good, not what works per job. It's the same way with NPCs in game. Heck in the last notice about new gear they showed what looks like a new Sam JSE with a guy wearing a staff.

[Feba]

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Ziero, I'm pretty sure that was just COP, wasn't it? I always got the impression that they just hadn't finalized the content yet. I mean, there are some points where you go back into Promyvion after you've completed things that require a high level; it's perfectly possible that SE figured "Hey, maybe after you beat it you go in uncapped" or something.

[WishMaster3K]

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Drat. I got happy at the prospects of new RDM gear.

And BP, have you done those fights with the Avatars you need Alliances for?

Holy Shit, Shiva raped us something vicious a few times before we finally got it right.

Now if THOSE aren't the full powered ones...

[Ziero]

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Anyone catch the Elvaan RDM with the WHM-looking body piece?

There's an elvaan holding a new mace about halfway down just before the new crafting rings. "Several new pieces of equipment have been added". This could be the Nyzul relics, or it could be they just tossed us some new items. These new NMs have to drop something, I guess.

WM3K: Given that they're holding a club, I'm far more inclined to think it's a WHM in RDM clothing than the other way around. It could be that SE just said "fuck it, we're not making two pictures of new shit" and used their 'equip whatever the hell you want' powers.
Kitalrez: FINAL FANTASY XI Official Web Site Unless they look RADICALLY different in their earlier incarnations, no.

SE is notoriously bad about throwing any gear on any job when they take pictures. Need we forget the images of people in AF doing the 30 cap Promies? The Smn who had a Scythe? etc etc

The only new model gear in that pic is the Mace itself, which does look very sweet. And as Feba pointed out, no, it's not the new Relic Mace.

[BurningPanther]

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It makes sense that Odin and Alexander are more powerful. If I recall, they're awakened avatars, which, once awake, spread chaos through Vana'diel.

You don't even actually fight the original six celestial gods; remember, they're still sleeping soundly in their crystals. The primes the player fights are projections of what's sleeping in that crystal, which could imply the projection we fight is still not the celestial god at full power. I imagine if we really were fighting them at full power(re: fully awakened), it'd be much like the Odin and Alexander fights.

In short, I agree with Feba that the devs' reasoning behind certain gods not yielding Blood Pacts is kind of bunk.