New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Icemage already summed up the mage side of view perfectly a few pages back:

on WHM in Campaign, there is absolutely, positively NO gameplay reason for me to ever cast a spell on anyone except myself or an NPC. None. Whatsoever.

Kailea: Sorry, but you really are clueless. At least same, but usually better exp, with less risk for RDMs and WHMs, if they don't cast spells on random players. That's all there is to it.

One more time: Curing other players is a lot of risk for very little return; not worthwhile if looking for experience points in Champaign Battle. Mages didn't make this rule--S-E did. Complaining to mages about not getting cures in Champaign Batles is idiotic; write to S-E instead.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Icemage already summed up the mage side of view perfectly a few pages back:


Kailea: Sorry, but you really are clueless. At least same, but usually better exp, with less risk for RDMs and WHMs, if they don't cast spells on random players. That's all there is to it.

One more time: Curing other players is a lot of risk for very little return; not worthwhile if looking for experience points in Champaign Battle. Mages didn't make this rule--S-E did. Complaining to mages about not getting cures in Champaign Batles is idiotic; write to S-E instead.

I am sorry but that a load of Bull #$@!

Example today, all day, I have been doing campaign battle off and on

and I see plenty of mages meleeing and curing, and doing just fine

and Icemage, again you fail to read, where I have said many times, that in campaign, there is no reason why a mage should not melee, it gives more exp, but at the same time, its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight.


the new healing NPCs will help out alot, and mages can focus more on melee and the melee can maybe even sub other things to deal more damage.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight.

Once again, WHY?

This is about the eighth time you've been asked, by three or four people. Why can't you answer it?

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Once again, WHY?

This is about the eighth time you've been asked, by three or four people. Why can't you answer it?

and again, you pick out alittle bit oh a whole thought, and take it out of context

[Murphie]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

That's not out of context. It's completely in context. It's asking for clarification.

[Armando]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

He's not taking it out of context. The question would've been EXACTLY the same if he had chosen to quote the whole sentence.

[Empedocles]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

This is still going on?

/facepalm

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Kailea, go find a dictionary. Look up the word 'context'. Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "complete sentence".

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Kailea, go find a dictionary. Look up the word 'context'. Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "complete sentence".

I said "and Icemage, again you fail to read, where I have said many times, that in campaign, there is no reason why a mage should not melee, it gives more exp, but at the same time, its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight."

if your going to sit there and melee but not cast spells, when you are a mage class, is stupid.

That is the meaning of this statment

Feba quoted
"its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight."

this would imply that I want you to do nothign but cast spells, and this is not true

[TheGrandMom]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

I am sorry but that a load of Bull #$@!

Example today, all day, I have been doing campaign battle off and on

and I see plenty of mages meleeing and curing, and doing just fine

and Icemage, again you fail to read, where I have said many times, that in campaign, there is no reason why a mage should not melee, it gives more exp, but at the same time, its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight.


the new healing NPCs will help out alot, and mages can focus more on melee and the melee can maybe even sub other things to deal more damage.

You are failing to understand what we've been saying throughout this entire thread. Of course, it could be because you haven't read every post, which at this point is understandable since it's all repeat after repeat after repeat. LOL This is the deal:

If we are SOLO in Campaign, we don't see the need to use our mp on anyone but ourselves. Why? Because when we use it, we need to replenish it, which means at some point we are going to have to rest and lose exp. Now if I am losing exp because I pissed off a mob and I had to cure the crap out of myself, well thats my own damn fault. Then when I'm resting and can think about what an idiot I am and rethink my strategy. But when I am wasting my mp on some melee thats getting wholoped because they want to be uber and do uber damage and too damn proud to sub something helpful, well when I have to rest thats a bitter pill to swallow as I watch the melee saunter off to get more exp and do it again and expect yet another mage to take care of him. So you see, using my mp on myself when I make my own mistakes is bad enough but to have to throw out heals/raises to every single melee too proud to sub the right sub job.....yep, thats just ignorant of them to demand it. Now you've said that you are willing to sub appropriate subs or come on a job where you can take care of yourself, and I applaud that. I'll toss a cure here and there as long as I feel its safe to do so, but most of the melees here EXPECT us to be doing more healing/raising than anything else. Thats where we draw the line. It's OUR decision who we heal/raise and when we'll heal/raise if we choose to. No one has the right to tell us its our job to do it at the sacrifice of our enjoyment and exp/merits/notes. Some have said that I HAVE to heal them because a manual says that I excel in healing magic...seriously....SERIOUSLY!?

I said "and Icemage, again you fail to read, where I have said many times, that in campaign, there is no reason why a mage should not melee, it gives more exp, but at the same time, its stupid to sit there and not use your magic to help others out, and help win the fight."

if your going to sit there and melee but not cast spells, when you are a mage class, is stupid.

We haven't said we aren't going to cast spells, we've said we have the right to choose on who we decide to cast. Thats all.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

this would imply that I want you to do nothign but cast spells,

No it does not. It implies nothing.

if your going to sit there and melee but not cast spells, when you are a mage class, is stupid.

Now, once again, WHY? People keep asking you this question, and you keep ignoring or dodging it-- do you just not have a real answer?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

I'll toss a cure here and there as long as I feel its safe to do so, but most of the melees here EXPECT us to be doing more healing/raising than anything else.

I've yet to see one melee in this thread say you must full-time cure/raise them.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Now, once again, WHY? People keep asking you this question, and you keep ignoring or dodging it-- do you just not have a real answer?

It's basically the same question I've asked over and over and over but got no response. Actually kind of feel like my posts are invisible. LOL

I've yet to see one melee in this thread say you must full-time cure/raise them.

I have seen plenty of them say that its my duty to heal them. Our question is why should we HAVE to heal you when doing so lowers our exp and enjoyment? When we have to rest for mp because we just used the majority of it raising/healing all of you, do you come sit next to us and rest too so that your exp/enjoyment is hampered? Nope, you don't and why? Because you are just as greedy as we are for the exp/notes so they shouldn't be looking down their noses at us when they are exactly the same.

[Murphie]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

I've yet to see one melee in this thread say you must full-time cure/raise them.

And I have yet to see one mage in this thread say that they don't toss out the occasional cures or raises.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

No it does not. It implies nothing.



Now, once again, WHY? People keep asking you this question, and you keep ignoring or dodging it-- do you just not have a real answer?

answer it, its stupid, plain and simple, a mage that does not cast spells?

s-t-u-p-i-d

anyway.... I like the way TGM explained it, must better then the BS remarks I get from Feba.

no I don't expect a mage to do nothing but cure
at the same time I think all melee should have a way to support themselves, whether it be by items or magic (atleast in events like campaign)