(3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

[Murphie]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

You know, you're probably right.

[Mhurron]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

You know, you're probably right.

I know

[Murphie]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

You really do.

[Feba]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

I'm just saying, you can make your own book by printing things out

Exactly. I have a binder somewhere around here with color maps of all the galaxies in EVE online (at the time it was made, anyway). Probably only cost aobut 10$ all together. If i'd bought a professionally published version in a store, i'd fully expect to pay 30-50$

[Shroo]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

I wish they'd do an updated Brady guide...I play casually and can't keep up with most people The info would be invaluable.

Carter.

If you buy the vana'diel collection 2007, it comes with a new atlas with all the CoP and ToA locations plus a disc that you put in your computer and it has updated information about CoP and ToA in it to help you get started in the new Expansions etc....

[Shroo]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Exactly. I have a binder somewhere around here with color maps of all the galaxies in EVE online (at the time it was made, anyway). Probably only cost aobut 10$ all together. If i'd bought a professionally published version in a store, i'd fully expect to pay 30-50$

What if you dont own a printer what then? I dont own a printer so how do you exspect me to print it? Our library wont even let us print that kind of information out, because its not valid or some crap like that.

[Feba]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Then buy a printer. Seriously, i've seen some for 40$. Toss on 3$ for a stack of paper.

Still cheaper than buying a damn book.

[Taskmage]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Eh, you can get a printer and paper for under $20.

They did this thing for WoW (I'm not really sure who I'm referring to with "they") where they published a guide in a binder, and then released updates online that you could print out and replace outdated pages with. I thought that idea was brilliant. By now though, I'm entirely used to and content with looking up my information online.

[Carter]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

If you have a modicum of intelligence, finding things via the wiki shouldn't be a problem. Laziness isn't a very good excuse for remaining ignorant.

I never suggested that I was lazy, I just prefer a hardcopy.

And personal preference doesn't necessarily prove a lack of intelligence, neither does laziness.

Carter.

[Carter]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Eh, you can get a printer and paper for under $20.

They did this thing for WoW (I'm not really sure who I'm referring to with "they") where they published a guide in a binder, and then released updates online that you could print out and replace outdated pages with. I thought that idea was brilliant. By now though, I'm entirely used to and content with looking up my information online.

IIRC it was Brady Games that released the Binder guide for WoW. I've bought pretty much every one of their WoW guides for my partner and they mention the binder version. Sadly it never came out in the UK tho

Carter.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

... I think the anti-book people overlook the importance of a table of contents to well organized information. That is what the FFXI resources on Internet are currently missing; what we have now is several scattered forums and data sites filled with huge amount of good, bad, duplicate, and missing info all jumble together--and you can't exactly glance through those entries looking for topics--you have to know what you are looking for.

For example, a beginner doesn't need all the quests and mission listed--but it would be good for them to have a list of NPC's to talk to for quests which players under Lv.10's they can complete, so they can actually try a few to get used to talking to NPC's and trading items.

Now, go and try to find a list of beginner quests. For each starting nation. Chances are, such a guide may or may not exist on the Internet, yet. While you can search and compile the information yourself, it's not exactly easy, especially for someone new to the game.

Type "beginner quests" into FFXIclopedia, and I got "Summoner's First Twenty-One Levels" and "The Road to Aht Urhgan". Search for Quests and click on Windurst, and it's a alphabetical list of quest titles, most of which newbies can't do.

This game really can use a revised guide. Brady's was severely inaccurate in many places, but it did have an approachable organization and most of the right kinds of info. A substantial revamp of that guide with emphasis on serving beginners only would be nice, I think. Can cut out most of the equipment and quest listings pages to save cost, and yet still do a better job of serving newbies, too.

[Feba]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Well, I s'pose the best solution would be something like a new player guide, by fan controlled. Problem is though, everyone will have different, often conflicting advice to give.

[DR2D2]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

... I think the anti-book people overlook the importance of a table of contents to well organized information. That is what the FFXI resources on Internet are currently missing; what we have now is several scattered forums and data sites filled with huge amount of good, bad, duplicate, and missing info all jumble together--and you can't exactly glance through those entries looking for topics--you have to know what you are looking for.

For example, a beginner doesn't need all the quests and mission listed--but it would be good for them to have a list of NPC's to talk to for quests which players under Lv.10's they can complete, so they can actually try a few to get used to talking to NPC's and trading items.

Now, go and try to find a list of beginner quests. For each starting nation. Chances are, such a guide may or may not exist on the Internet, yet. While you can search and compile the information yourself, it's not exactly easy, especially for someone new to the game.

Type "beginner quests" into FFXIclopedia, and I got "Summoner's First Twenty-One Levels" and "The Road to Aht Urhgan". Search for Quests and click on Windurst, and it's a alphabetical list of quest titles, most of which newbies can't do.

This game really can use a revised guide. Brady's was severely inaccurate in many places, but it did have an approachable organization and most of the right kinds of info. A substantial revamp of that guide with emphasis on serving beginners only would be nice, I think. Can cut out most of the equipment and quest listings pages to save cost, and yet still do a better job of serving newbies, too.

The problem I see is that there is a group of players that feel as though if someone doesn't know something the only place they should be looking/asking is at Wiki. Remember, not everyone who plays the game has access to surfing the internet. by not having a book form of a guide, you hinder many players from learning how to properly play the game. I also think people are confusing what info should be in a guide. A guide should contain basic gameplay functions(search, /tell, trade, fight, checking the AH). A guide may also contain certain walk-thru's(such as for mission 1, or a few of the early quests). The problem with directing people to Wiki for basic things is it is like giving someone an encyclopedia to look up the spelling of the word. Wiki is good, but should be reserved for players above level 20. After level 20, Wiki rocks. Before level 20, Wiki is confusing at best.



I am not trying to get on anyone in particular, but am just giving my opinion of my experience with Wiki

[Feba]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Remember, not everyone who plays the game has access to surfing the internet.

Yeah, considering you HAVE TO HAVE internet to play FFXI, and considering you can pick up a perfectly internet capable PC for under 100$ nowadays.

Seriously, if you can't find a PC under 100$, message me and i'll find one *for* you. That's how easy they are to find, i'll do the damn legwork for you.

Nowadays, anyone who's capable of owning a house can (and in my opinion, should) have a computer with at least dial up internet access. It's so damn cheap there's no reason not to, considering the huge benefit of HUGE amounts of free material, references, help, directories etc.

Seriously, http://www.peoplepc.com/opt/PPC_AOL_CSIcode.html , 11$ a month for internet. Of course, that's not a problem for anyone playing FFXI.

EDIT: Forgot to add, like i've said before, if you can't afford a basic computer to access the net with, you should not play FFXI. FFXI will cost you more in expansions and monthly fees within the year than a PC will cost you. Or hell, if you're creative, install linux on your playstation or something, turn your PS2 INTO a computer.

[DR2D2]

Re: (3/30/2007) Presenting the New Player's Guide!

Yeah, considering you HAVE TO HAVE internet to play FFXI, and considering you can pick up a perfectly internet capable PC for under 100$ nowadays.

Seriously, if you can't find a PC under 100$, message me and i'll find one *for* you. That's how easy they are to find, i'll do the damn legwork for you.

Nowadays, anyone who's capable of owning a house can (and in my opinion, should) have a computer with at least dial up internet access. It's so damn cheap there's no reason not to, considering the huge benefit of HUGE amounts of free material, references, help, directories etc.

Seriously, http://www.peoplepc.com/opt/PPC_AOL_CSIcode.html , 11$ a month for internet. Of course, that's not a problem for anyone playing FFXI.

EDIT: Forgot to add, like i've said before, if you can't afford a basic computer to access the net with, you should not play FFXI. FFXI will cost you more in expansions and monthly fees within the year than a PC will cost you. Or hell, if you're creative, install linux on your playstation or something, turn your PS2 INTO a computer.

I know you need internet access, but that doesn't mean the system you play on can surf the web(playstation and x-box come to mind).