Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

[Meredy]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

How about rewards from participating on Beseige events? Doesnt seem to be anything except for imperial points and some xp.

Maybe like a point system like they have in Ballista now, where you can trade points and get special temp items the next Besieged, or maybe some gear that you can buy with the points.

[Taskmage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Teleportation to cities, meds & supplies that can be bought from NPCs, gear that can be exchanged with imperial pts. sanction extending items, ammunition.

Teleportation to cities and gear can already be purchased with imperial standing, so in essence that's what you're already getting.

Sanction already lasts for 3 hours as a PSC. If you want it to last longer you need to do assaults, or just pop back to town, refresh it, and take the runic portal back to camp, all of which cost IS which you're getting a ton of from besieged.

If I wanted items like meds and ammo that can already be bought from NPCs, I would just buy them from the NPC. If you need more gil to buy the items you can always take the 1000 IS you earned in besieged and convert it into 50 imperial bronze pieces. After 2 besieged you'd have a stack of 99 which goes for 15k on my server, or if you're patient and have AH slots free you could sell them individually for 1k apiece and earn 50k gil per besieged.

1000 IS is a better reward than you think. You can convert it into pretty much any resource you need, and getting that much normally through sanction would take an hour even in a good party. I dunno what it's like on other servers, but a besieged only lasts 30 minutes or so on Lakshmi and individual players don't have to coordinate or exert themselves too much to succeed. You just get in there, have fun, and do whatever your job does best. Getting 1000 IS for that is a pretty good deal to me.

[raidenn]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Teleportation to Jeuno and your nation is what you only get from the warp taru. How about warp access to the Tavnazian stronghold? How about warp access to Selbina? THats not a bad suggestion. Id pay extra silver for that if it was allowed.
Heck if you want the lag to be bearable in Whitegate after a Beseige event, get a teleport point to all the 3 nations and other locations in Alzhabi to relieve the lag.

Some meds and ammunition are not sold in the AH. I dont see anyone selling a Giants drink in the AH...

Hanging around Alzhabi for 1000 xp and some IS points while the troops are advancing is not enough for me. Not to mention the disappearing AH manager in Alzhabi which seems to be pretty common these days.

[Neomage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

I agree, special "Besieged Items" would be amazing. The flaw with the reward being IS, is that ( for some jobs) it is reciciously easy to gain a sh*tload of EXP and IS from meleeburn parties. Why spend 2 hours in a laggy besieged for 1k EXP and 1k IS, when you could have been out in Caederva Mire, and gotten 20k EXP and 2k IS?

Besieged-Specific rewards, mabye modified versions of Near-Eastern armor with modified stats(not nesisarily better, just diffrent), special items like Giant's Drink and Revitalizer for those gruling mission BCNMs you've gone 0/30+ on, mabye Scrolls of Instant Reraise II and extra EXP. Granted, these rewards would take work and time to get, and you would have to save up your points so people can't throw Besieged items at missions like pie, but if someone went 0/50 on Ultima and Omega, I think they'd be willing to attend several besieged for just one Giant's Drink to help the clear that.

[Mhurron]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

I agree, special "Besieged Items" would be amazing. The flaw with the reward being IS, is that ( for some jobs) it is reciciously easy to gain a sh*tload of EXP and IS from meleeburn parties. Why spend 2 hours in a laggy besieged for 1k EXP and 1k IS, when you could have been out in Caederva Mire, and gotten 20k EXP and 2k IS?

Because a change of pace is fun. Besieged is a license to go have fun often in somewhat silly ways, once a burn gets going its often very monotonous.

[Neomage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

I've done some messing around and here are a few possible items you could gain from Besieged:

500 Points:
Windurst Woods Gate Glyph
South San D' Orian Gate Glyph
Bastok Mines Gate Glyph
Central Crystal(Warp to Jeuno)
Saline Crystal(Warp to Selbina)
Eastern Crystal(Warp to Aht Urgan Whitegate)
Scroll of Instant Re-Raise
Scroll of Instant Warp
Page of the Dragon Chronicles
Bar-xxxx Ointment

1000 Points:
Ancient Crystal(Warp to Ru' Lude Gardens[If you have access])
Aquatic Crystal(Warp to Al' Taieu[If you have access])
Scroll of Instant Re-Raise II
Scroll of Instant Escape
Pheonix Down(Now the THF/NINs can raise! Granted it's only R1)
Page of Miratete's Memoirs

3000 Points:
Walahara Water
Pinch of Potion Dust
Pinch of Ether Dust
Scroll of Instant Re-raisaga
Scroll of Instant Re-Raise III
Vagabond's Crystal(Warp to any zone you have visited before)

5000 Points:
Giant's Drink
Wizard's Drink
Bottle of Celestial Incence.
Bottle of Carnal Incence.
Regen Feather


See? Imagine how simplified life would be if we had those items. I feel they are fairly prices, but prices could always be changed. And this is only useable items. Imagine what items could be impletented as altervative pieces of gear or charged items like rings and torques?

EDIT: And I agree with you Mhurron. I like doing besieged because it's fun. But many players are only interested in self-gain. How many people do you know who did(or will do) CoP for the storyline? What about missions past ZM14 except for Apoclypce Neigh? I certainly don't know many. I also rarely see anyone do Eco-Warrior, Garrison, or other events like that that can offer similar rewards but a change of pace.

[Taskmage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Scrolls of reraise and instant warp you can already buy with 500 and 750 IS respectively.

Handing out exp papers is pointless. If getting 1k exp and 1k IS isn't a good enough reason for people to come as opposed to joining a TP-burn, then 1750-2500 exp from besieged+memoirs isn't going to be either.

I don't understand why people are always demanding easier travel. Between Warp Cudgel, the Runic Portal, the warp taru and outpost warps I can go from wherever I am to pretty much anywhere in the world in a minute. If you want to do the same, carry a warp cudgel, set your hp in whitegate, and actually do your outposts.

Instant Reraise II scrolls ... meh. Wouldn't really have much impact on the game, but it'd piss boneworkers off for destroying one of their consistently profitable synths.

Instant Reraise III scrolls would practically guarantee whms would never get invites over rdm unless you need Stona.

Walahra water is awful.

Carnal Incence is a paladin's two hour ability. There's no way that should be made into an item that any job can use anywhere in the world. There's a reason it's only available in ballista and beseiged. Similar responses for Celestial Incence and the drinks.

There's a reason Regain Feather (I assume that's what you mean) is so hard to get. It's the equivalent of using two Vile Elixer +1s and three Icarus Wings at the same time. That shouldn't be made any easier to get either.

Sorry for picking on you, but I really don't see the need for any of this.

If you enjoy besieged then the existing reward should be sufficient. If you don't enjoy besieged then by all means, don't come. There are a million things to do in this game. If one particular thing doesn't interest you then just do something else rather than asking for presents for voluntarily doing something you didn't want to do.

[Neomage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Hmmm... Good point Task. I was just thinking of ways to get more people to attend Besieged, personally I do it whenever I can but I get fusterated when we lose a lv 5-6 Besieged when we only have 200 defenders and I can do a /sea all "instert popular EXP zone here" and come up with another 100-150 names that could have helped us win.

[tazirai]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Teleportation to cities and gear can already be purchased with imperial standing, so in essence that's what you're already getting.
Sanction already lasts for 3 hours as a PSC. If you want it to last longer you need to do assaults, or just pop back to town, refresh it, and take the runic portal back to camp, all of which cost IS which you're getting a ton of from besieged.
If I wanted items like meds and ammo that can already be bought from NPCs, I would just buy them from the NPC. If you need more gil to buy the items you can always take the 1000 IS you earned in besieged and convert it into 50 imperial bronze pieces. After 2 besieged you'd have a stack of 99 which goes for 15k on my server, or if you're patient and have AH slots free you could sell them individually for 1k apiece and earn 50k gil per besieged.
1000 IS is a better reward than you think. You can convert it into pretty much any resource you need, and getting that much normally through sanction would take an hour even in a good party. I dunno what it's like on other servers, but a besieged only lasts 30 minutes or so on Lakshmi and individual players don't have to coordinate or exert themselves too much to succeed. You just get in there, have fun, and do whatever your job does best. Getting 1000 IS for that is a pretty good deal to me.

My first post in awhile since coming back to FFXI, but I must say that What Taskmage says is fairly accurate.
I have over 13k IS and use them near daily unlike CP.
CP was the concept and IS was the evolution of that idea. And I find it intensely useful. I cant wait to see what this new change to besieged will bring.. more lag is a given.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Ancient Crystal(Warp to Ru' Lude Gardens[If you have access])

I'm glad I put in the work to get Ru'lude Garden access. Jogging to Jeuno as a lvl 20 sure was tough, though!

(Yeah, I'm just being a stinker... I assume you meant Ru'ann Garden)

[Neomage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Ywah, Ru'Ann. The only problem I have with outpost warps is that with Aht Urgan out, people rarely do conquest in purpose anymore... This makes it extremely hard to get the warps I'm missing. Another problem is the level restriction... The Saline and Eastern crystals where designed for people who wanted to get to/from Valkurm to level new jobs or subjobs then back with little hassle...

[Akashimo]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Yea, getting OPs are becoming a pain now =/ Main reason I don't want to explore the other cities story lines is just loosing every OP i gotten while in Sandy. Even on my mithra, I only have like 4 ops done(not inclueding gustaberg or windy). Qufim is taken by beastmen more often and so is the elshimo regions. And hopes for Movapolus to be under a city control for once is ever more the slim. Though Koshlusho is a constantly under a either Bastok or Sandy control thank goodness v.v; I just wish people would go back to the old areas more often *sighs*.

[Drive]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

I never get IS because I don't like staying out in ToAU zones.

[Taskmage]

Re: Besieged Adjustments (02/20/2007)

Yeah, getting the rarer outposts is rather difficult now. I was extremely fortunate in that some San d'Orians organized a takeover of Sarutabaruta via Jeuno shout the week that I was getting rank 10 in Windurst, so the next week I was able to switch nations and pick that up. Two weeks later Sandy took Tavnazia, so all the remaining outposts I need I can expect to show up at random before too long.

You get what you put in. Personally I get a little enjoyment out of checking the conquest map each week to see what new outposts I can pick up and doing the easy chocobo ride over there to get them. You do have to do a little working and a little waiting to get the full set, but it's the same way with everything in the game. If you could get it all upfront we'd all become bored with the game a lot quicker.

And yeah, I get what you're saying about the level restrictions, but imo that's along the same lines as not getting Utsusemi Ni until level 37. You get stuff as you level up each job that makes life easier, and outpost warps are one of those things. Yeah, it'd be hella convenient to be able to outpost to Valkurm, or the Yuhtunga outpost or Altepa at the lowest level you can party there, but you're still in newb levels at that point and getting to camp is part of the game. When you come back to level in Gustav, or on jungle crawlers or desert goblins, by then you've earned the reward of popping instantly to that camp.

Movalpolos doesn't have an outpost warp, btw. The only real reason for anyone to care about national control there is to be able to get Movalpolos Water to make Hyper Ethers.