Things I'm waiting for:

[Pwnagraphic]

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My first MMO was EQOA.. It had endgame content at release. Just sayin'.

Murphie has a good point, but what are we supposed to think when other things were left out to rush this game?

[Kailea]

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When it comes to MMORPGs the first and main thing to get done, is getting the game playable, and more money coming in, then they can worry about endgame, it has been this way with every MMO ever. Why should it be different now?

[Etra]

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Well, FFXIV players aren't paying to play. And the point is, those players who rush to the end need to understand that the game isn't created with them in mind. It's like the idiots who complained about no AF for new jobs the moment they were created, when they grinded PUP, BLU and COR to 75 days after the jobs were introduced. When the game first launches, endgame shouldn't be the focus. If you rush to endgame, it's your fault, not the creator's if you run out of content to burn through. I'm not saying that you shouldn't play at the pace you want to. I'm saying that if you do go at a faster pace, you need to understand the sacrifice you're making in order to be "first."

End game should be there. If you release a game, I except all aspects of the game to be there. Starting game, middle game, end game. End game is part of "the game," so why should it not come with the released product?

We have rushed and shitty games because of people that defend developers for not releasing full games. Yeah, you can blame the people funding the project for shouting at them to get it out as quickly as possible. However, the sponsors and developers wouldn't dare do so if people would shun the games that do not have the entire game finished. (And by entire, I mean something for end gamers to at least do instead of twiddle their thumbs.)

Side note: My highest rank is only 21. I'm nowhere near what you'd call hardcore.

[Murphie]

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Most people who are paying to play an MMO aren't gonna want to take a break to wait for endgame content. I'd cancel my sub and play something else.

I'm not saying SE should go ahead and rush endgame, too, because the whole fucking game is rushed, but there needs to be something to do in the meantime.

Well, FFXIV players aren't paying to play. And the point is, those players who rush to the end need to understand that the game isn't created with them in mind. It's like the idiots who complained about no AF for new jobs the moment they were created, when they grinded PUP, BLU and COR to 75 days after the jobs were introduced. When the game first launches, endgame shouldn't be the focus. If you rush to endgame, it's your fault, not the creator's if you run out of content to burn through. I'm not saying that you shouldn't play at the pace you want to. I'm saying that if you do go at a faster pace, you need to understand the sacrifice you're making in order to be "first."

[jenova_9]

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Notorious Monsters are coming this month!

[Aksannyi]

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Most people who are paying to play an MMO aren't gonna want to take a break to wait for endgame content. I'd cancel my sub and play something else.

I'm not saying SE should go ahead and rush endgame, too, because the whole fucking game is rushed, but there needs to be something to do in the meantime.

[jenova_9]

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maybe those that want endgame immediately are simply joining at the wrong time.

[Kailea]

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Well if you think about it, when you get to the level cap, there isn't much else to do except endgame. And people will reach cap quickly no matter what you do to hinder them (hi2u fatigue). WoW is pretty good about this, there's PvP battlegrounds, fishing, crafting, achievement hunting, so even if you're sick of the grind or if you're sick of raiding, you can find something else to run around and do.

But if you hit the cap in an MMO and there's no endgame ... what the hell else is there to do? Level a new toon? Or in XI/XIV's case, level another job? That gets old.

I'm just saying, I can see kind of see where these people are coming from. If you're gonna level up to cap and find nothing when you get there, what's the point? Unless you like the grind from 1-whatever, you're going to feel like you wasted a whole bunch of time.

Instead of complaining about no endgame, they can level other things or take a break, that way when endgame is added, they would be ready right off the bat *shrugs* guess I have more patience.

[Aksannyi]

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Well if you think about it, when you get to the level cap, there isn't much else to do except endgame. And people will reach cap quickly no matter what you do to hinder them (hi2u fatigue). WoW is pretty good about this, there's PvP battlegrounds, fishing, crafting, achievement hunting, so even if you're sick of the grind or if you're sick of raiding, you can find something else to run around and do.

But if you hit the cap in an MMO and there's no endgame ... what the hell else is there to do? Level a new toon? Or in XI/XIV's case, level another job? That gets old.

I'm just saying, I can see kind of see where these people are coming from. If you're gonna level up to cap and find nothing when you get there, what's the point? Unless you like the grind from 1-whatever, you're going to feel like you wasted a whole bunch of time.

[Murphie]

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Yeah, that does seem a little silly. But every MMO is like this. EVERY MMO. When I left FFXI to play EQ2 at launch, within weeks people were complaining daily on the forums that there wasn't enough endgame content for them. When I left FFXI (again) to play LOTRO at launch, people were, once again, complaining about the lack of endgame content mere weeks into launch. In the case of the latter, I hit the cap on two characters after a month of play. But I still didn't bitch about lack of endgame content (instead I was disappointed that my options were to cap out my crafting or level ANOTHER character to 50). I just quit, since the game didn't have what I wanted.

From what I've read of other MMO launches, it was the same. Ultimately, what you have to do if an MMO isn't meeting your expectations is decide whether the time and money (in FFXIV's case, only the purchase price matters at the moment) you are putting into it is worth it to you. If it isn't, quit. If it mostly is, but sort of isn't, then decide if you want to stick it out. And if it really is, well, then you aren't really unhappy so I don't even know why you're asking yourself this question.

[Kailea]

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I find it silly that people are wanting endgame already -.-

[Firewind]

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Yeah but there's no quests tied to it and no real incentive to go there outside of RP events unfortunately

When I say dungeons I mean stuff like instances (Nyzul Isle, Einherjar, MMM, BCNMs etc). FFXIV just seems to lack them right now and to be honest doing nothing but killing mobs to level is quite boring.

Other games have different models for levelling. WoW has a tool that lets you queue for dungeons from lv15 onwards meaning that you never have to grind from 15+. Then you have games such as Warhammer Online that literally lets you PvP from Lv1 and you never have to consider any sort of grind from 1 to 80. Many MMOs also use questing for levelling up so you aren't grinding and you are switching locations and doing different tasks that aren't "Kill X mob Y times for Z hours for Q XP/hour". There's MMOs that give you XP for every action so you are still getting XP while gathering and crafting,

Grinding is just dated really. Give me something interesting, some bit of flavour text between quests to cover up the grind. Give me alternate ways of levelling. Honestly if I just want to endlessly kill nothing but crabs to the level cap I'd just play FFXI again.

Really this is one of the problems I'm having with FFXIV. It's a modern MMO that is still using slow and archaic ways of gaining XP to hit the level cap. I'm not asking for easy XP here, I've been playing Warhammer Online since release and still don't have a character at 80. Most players are around 60-70 and can compete with 80's due to the game being balanced for party vs party not 1v1.

Grinding is boring when it's just presented as it is: grinding. I think it's easier to spot now I don't play XI or XIV obsessively but when I play XI or XIV now I just think "Sigh same thing again?" when it comes to levelling a class. There's just no variety.

[jenova_9]

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To be honest if dungeons and endgame content were added to the game I'd return to full time play in a heartbeat to get my characters to the level cap instead of just logging on on the weekends to do some leves then do something else.

I think there is a dungeon. People were fighting skellies and stuff in some indoor underground dungeon looking thing.

[Firewind]

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To be honest if dungeons and endgame content were added to the game I'd return to full time play in a heartbeat to get my characters to the level cap instead of just logging on on the weekends to do some leves then do something else.

[Freelancer]

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Good point..

How about including basic things that should have been at launch?

They're coming, there's no debate there, the "basics" are either implemented or going to be implemented soon enough.

What we should be worried about is how are they going to be implemented,such as how endgame will be managed, how to handle loot (lets face it, the current loot system is trust based and that aint gonna fly) and chat options (tabs feature is very incomplete) and stuff like helmets on/off switch and so on and so forth.

Now I'd be super happy if they just copy/pasted the control scheme from FFXI to XIV but I doubt they will, even though that scheme was awesome.

I don't know what the heck they're thinking, but they better shape up.