PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

[Malacite]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

Let's just hope SE is more intelligent about gil in general this time around.

Namely, stop using it as a cheap barrier on large quests.

[Aeni]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

I doubt that charging $2 more for a mule or a slightly higher subscription fee is going to stop gil sellers. If they find an easy way to make gil, that will be a drop in a bucket.

There was a high limit before on the number of Content ID you could create for characters. I believe it was 20 total, but correct me if I'm wrong.

This time around, it's a lower limit + a higher fee per. Now, let's assume it's still 20 going into the final release.

15 x $2 = $30 extra per account.

That's equivalent to the average take in per transaction. Does not factor in time spent acquiring gil, web site operation cost, paying off employees, etc. If you have 100 accounts, that's $3,000 more per month you need to pay. If you have 1000 accounts, that's $30,000 more a month in fees.

These guys make a quick buck, not necessarily good money, just quick money. How successful they are requires luck (stealing accounts, avoiding detection, etc) and how much people are going to pay. If fees levied are a noticeable increase (both in the cost per month as well as the number of accounts now needed) that directly impacts how much they charge per customer.

Seeing something just cost 60-100% more means charging customers that much more and that means the smaller guys aren't gonna survive as well as the bigger guys. This makes it easier on SE to track and detect these kinds of activities if you cut out the small fries and stop diluting their services.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

I doubt that charging $2 more for a mule or a slightly higher subscription fee is going to stop gil sellers. If they find an easy way to make gil, that will be a drop in a bucket.

[Feba]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

The graphics information is stored on your own computer.

J9 has a quarter of a point. FFXIV has far more complex character creation than FFXI did (not saying much), and that does have setting info. Not the dats.

Still utter failure for suggesting that storing a few numbers relating to character parameters validates any cost. J9, you do realize that that information would have to be sent to every single other player that ever gets near your character, right? Not to mention, I'd imagine the server sends that information to your client as part of the login/zoning process, not to mention every time you swap gear and possibly teleport. The storage, bandwidth, and general cost of the character is practically nothing. It makes more sense to charge by the hour than by the character.

[Aeni]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

3 dollars per character makes sense, mew. Character graphics take more memory on servers.

And development costs are higher than they were 8 years ago.

The graphics information is stored on your own computer. Only items and quest flags and all that good stuff is stored in the database. I think what SE is trying to do is squash gil sellers before they become a problem. I think having multiple "handlers" per account made it economically feasible for these people to ply their trade. With the high costs of having multiple characters on each account and forcing these people to purchase multiple accounts instead may drive out all but the biggest fish selling gils online.

[jenova_9]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

3 dollars per character makes sense, mew. Character graphics take more memory on servers.

And development costs are higher than they were 8 years ago.

[Aeni]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

You can preorder both the regular and CE versions on Amazon.com ... I just received email from Amazon.com about it (because I purchase a lot of SE games apparently >.>) Not sure about the other e-tailers ... might have to ask around.

[DakAttack]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

Yeah, I probably won't be playing then. $3 a month extra per character (That isn't a storage slag) -- no thanks. Even at $13 a month, one extra character still puts that $1 above normal MMO pricing. And in those MMOs, I can make 8-ish characters per server with a general cap of 20 to 50 characters per account (depending on the game.)

Not to mention, they still haven't learned their lesson with release dates.

I guess some people play this game to have as many characters as they possibly can at all times? Pretty stupid, bro.

[jenova_9]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

And yet other devs claim it's actually easier than the 360.

maybe its easier because those devs only worked on learning ps3, so they have more experience with it than xbox360, which is an entirely different thing to develop for.

[Malacite]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

well PS3 is so hard to develop for that Valve didn't like making games for it, so they don't, until Portal 2 next year.

And yet other devs claim it's actually easier than the 360.

[jenova_9]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

well PS3 is so hard to develop for that Valve didn't like making games for it, so they don't, until Portal 2 next year.

I still think it's a conspiracy on Sony's part because they don't want FFXIV interfering with DC Universe Online this year.

[Aeni]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

You're all forgetting that the major issue with the PS2 launch was the stupid HDD that Sony promptly dropped support for not too long after.

They don't have any bullshit blame-it-on-Sony excuse this time around, they're just being asshats. For fuck sake Beta Phase 1 isn't even underway yet and there's a 2nd phase to go as well, that's supposed to support PS3, possibly even on both.

So how the fuck do they explain a 6 month delay? I'm calling shenanigans on SE.

You are overlooking the fact that NONE OF US have access to the data they collected from their beta application survey (The one where you had to specify your system specs as well as stating your preferred testing platform) For all we know, majority of those who responded or applied were in fact PC gamers and not PS3 gamers. Now, you can blame it on the fact that the invitation was pretty much widely circulated amongst PC gamers and their community and not so much visibility was made with console gamers, but I'm sure it received press time from IGN et al so I'm not even sure if console gamers have any excuses about not knowing about the beta program.

Anyway, there's release schedules that many publishers adhere to and I know for a fact that Sony controls this process. Companies can't just "do as they please" because that was part of the licensing requirements (permission to develop and sell games for the PS3 platform) So that's one reason for the difference in release dates. The other reasons I already outlined. Maybe development for Windows is easier and faster for them than PS3, I don't know. Unless someone here can have a candid interview with the project manager over there, we can only speculate.

[Malacite]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

by what I read, you start out with 3 slots at 12.99 and then after those 3 slots, THEN its $3 per extra slot, and you also start out with one free retainer as well. but uummm I dont know how accurate that is, so for now i would still say 1 slot default.

Was gonna say that's still way better than $12.95 for ONE SLOT and $1.00 extra per.

^. ^ so I suppose I can have a Melee, Magic, and Crafting Character then.


2 Things pissing me off the most here;

1) Bullshit 6 month delay on PS3 - Just delay the whole thing then SE, good lord XI is still going strong and we haven't even hit 99, which brings me to my next point.

2) You are releasing it shortly after the 3rd major update for this year, which coincides with the conclusion of WotG. You're not even giving people like who have pretty well done everything and only care about plot (fuck relics, though I did want to attempt Masamune ) and hanging out with friends absolutely no reason to stick it out to 99. I was kinda hoping to at least get SAM 99 before leaving, but it looks like I'll have just enough time to finish WotG then quit.

Shouldn't even have bought the 1st Abyssea then, damn it. I was hoping XIV would be out around Christmas... not to mention Halo Reach is out Sept 14 so that's also gonna eat at my time and money GRRR!

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They did this as well for FFXI for those who remember. The release of the PS2 version was several months later. I'm assuming that releasing the game for a console largely depends on the overall schedule of games being released and it has to go through Sony first. Whereas games being released on PC do not require any sort of schedule other than the internal schedule that the company keeps. Also, patches are a lot easier to release on a PC so they plan on ironing out a lot of kinks in the system before the PS3 version launches and most likely they feel that PC players are more tolerant of downtime than console players.

You're all forgetting that the major issue with the PS2 launch was the stupid HDD that Sony promptly dropped support for not too long after.

They don't have any bullshit blame-it-on-Sony excuse this time around, they're just being asshats. For fuck sake Beta Phase 1 isn't even underway yet and there's a 2nd phase to go as well, that's supposed to support PS3, possibly even on both.

So how the fuck do they explain a 6 month delay? I'm calling shenanigans on SE.

[Aeni]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

Well, I guess that settles my debate of PS3 vs. new PC. Still, I think this is kind of crap for PS3 users.

They did this as well for FFXI for those who remember. The release of the PS2 version was several months later. I'm assuming that releasing the game for a console largely depends on the overall schedule of games being released and it has to go through Sony first. Whereas games being released on PC do not require any sort of schedule other than the internal schedule that the company keeps. Also, patches are a lot easier to release on a PC so they plan on ironing out a lot of kinks in the system before the PS3 version launches and most likely they feel that PC players are more tolerant of downtime than console players.

[Feba]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

Its called not giving them an excuse, Feba.

No, it's called either being a wimp or being a momma's boy.

If your parents bitching about something gets to the point where you have to change the way you live, there's something wrong.