Famitsu Exclusive with Tanaka

[TheGrandMom]

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Not quite sure who this is aimed at,...

It was aimed at the people who put the JPs on a pedestal because their culture is different than ours. They make it sound like they can do no wrong but NA's and Europeans are disgusting useless people.

Sorry if this seems stereotypical, but we all know its true. NA's in general, are whiny spoiled bitches. For every passionate FF fan who got into alpha there are 3 assholes who could care less, and just want to play it early.

No you might think it's true but we don't all think so. I, for one, like to give the benefit of the doubt that non-JP's are just as respectful but that because of our cultural differences, it's interpreted differently. We are passionate, we are outspoken, we are confident, we are assertive, and we are practically the antithesis of the JP's. Does this mean we are wrong or we are bad for being who we are? No and no one should tell us to believe that. I am proud of who I am, I am proud of where I live, and while I love and respect the Japanese culture, I also love and respect the differences between us.

When I was quite young, I lived in a trailer court with my father and one of my sisters. One of my best friends, that lived there also, was a young 1/2 Japanese girl. Remember now that this is the mid 60's and the middle age to older generation has an intense dislike/distrust of the Japanese still. My friends father had been stationed over in Japan and he brought his wife to the states. My father knew him from the Army so he allowed me to go over to their place, but he hated the wife with a passion. I remember the chabudai we would sit around to eat. I remember her mother scrubbing our skin till it was bright pink, then rinsing us off as we stood in the tub, and then drawing us a hot tub of water to soak in......and when I say hot, I MEAN HOT! (Especially on that tender pink skin! lol) One of my fondest memories was when her mother made me the most beautiful slippers to wear when I came over. She was so kind and thankful that I was her daughters friend....her only friend. So from a young age I have loved and been enamored with the Japanese and their culture, even though I grew up in an intensely racist family. Because of that family, I also learned to love the differences between all the different races/nationalities and to embrace my own, faults and all.

[Maju]

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Uhh.. I'm going to say most likely not. There's a lot of hardcore FFXI fans in the Alpha test who want to help make this game the best it can be. I've seen some pretty neat suggestions on other forums, and that is what they want.

Plus you talk like WoW players are another species of human. Most those asshats played FFXI for years till it got old and outdated like most of us.

To be fair, the alpha, being lower profile and more exclusive than WoW, probably has a higher quality player base.

As for WoW players, I played that game for a long time and posted in the offical forums a lot and the stupidity is overwhelming at times. I'm not an amazing gamer, I learn quickly and plateau higher than most but I don't have what it takes to stay at the top of a matured game for a prolonged period of time, yet I quickly rose to become the #1 player of my class on my server. Later, when Blizzard introduced the arena and ran their world championship competition, my 5v5 team team qualified and my 3v3 and 2v2 teams also made the highest rank. In WoW I was a lot more successful than in any other game I've played. I'd have to be extremely lucky to even score a kill against a top UT or Quake player or get a KO against a top fighter player. I can't beat my D- (the lowest) ICCup rank friend in Starcraft to save my life, let alone anyone who has ever played in an international or even national tournament. In short: The average skill level of WoW players is incredibly low. It's a lot higher than when the game was new, but it's still low.

In the ramblings above I didn't even touch the rampant idiocy of the official WoW forums. Every day you'd see posts such as the ones by warriors complaining about being destroyed by fear (a form of crowd control) even though warriors, when played correctly, and not even necessarily superbly, are practically immune to fear. Even when they managed to whine about the correct class because it indeed was overpowered at the time, they'd usually fail to identify the cause and whine about the wrong ability/mechanic because their understanding of the game was nonexistent.

Also, most WoW players are not ex-FFXI players. Even if every player who quit FFXI took up WoW, they'd only be a tiny fraction of the player base.

I don't think its so much that the Japanese players are more respectful or thoughtful as it is a case of "the nail that sticks out must be hammered down." The whole culture has a history of being self repressed. This is the place where business men HAVE to spend time after work drinking/hanging w/ their coworkers/boss or their not part of the team and their prospects are diminished. Subvert your own will to the will of your boss, or your coworkers, or your family, or whatever.

Its in the language, too. They'll spend five sentences dancing around an issue in order to avoid seeming critical, being oblique and self deprecating in order to avoid giving offense. Many English speakers, on the other hand, generally get to the point. What may seem upfront to us can be considered rude to them. Just differences in culture.

This. Japanese society is plagued by countless problems that don't exist in the West, however, these guys make better co-players exactly because of these cultural differences. Westerners are indeed spoiled bitches who feel entitled to everything right now and for no effort. Why do you think the gaming industry in general, not only MMOs, are moving towards perpetual easy mode? Why do you think it took so long for NA players to stop sucking balls in FFXI when you could invite a JP player and expect decent, if not high quality, play even if they were new? I know I read up on party tactics and skill chains before I even created my character. Sadly, that kid of dedication to not enraging your party members is rare at least among Westerners.

Ah.. Tokyo Drift.. Good movie.

It was an awful movie. Every single character was an infuriating, immature douchebag hellbent on making me /facepalm as frequently as possible. Were they even trying to make the viewers sympathize with the protagonist? He was a colossal asshole with an attitude problem. Of course that didn't stop him from winning the race, getting the girl and being praised by his peers. Excuse me while I puke... *pukes*. I can only imagine the effect that movie had on some impressionable youth. I bet many a dumb teenager dreamt of illegal street races and making a ton of cash dealing drugs because it's so cool and you get to drive awezum cars and bang bitchez and stuff lolz.

[TheGrandMom]

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This. Japanese society is plagued by countless problems that don't exist in the West, however, these guys make better co-players exactly because of these cultural differences. Westerners are indeed spoiled bitches who feel entitled to everything right now and for no effort. Why do you think the gaming industry in general, not only MMOs, are moving towards perpetual easy mode? Why do you think it took so long for NA players to stop sucking balls in FFXI when you could invite a JP player and expect decent, if not high quality, play even if they were new?

/moderators hat OFF

Please let me first start off with an apology to the forum faithful for my outburst. In all my years here, I do not ever remember acting the way I am about to and I sincerely apologize for it. To my fellow moderators, please feel free to hand out an infraction. I will not hold it against you.

With that said...

Are you fucking serious!? Are we going to start down this same fucking shit path? Honest to fucking god I am so sick and tired of people sucking Japanese dick because their culture is different! Just because they look at things differently and approach situations from another perspective does not mean that they are superior in any way. They are just different from us.

And hey, you want to know why they were better players when we started playing? BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN PLAYING THE GAME BEFORE MOST OF US EVEN GOT OUR HANDS ON IT! Let's see you play something against a seasoned player and then have a slew of people sit there and tell you how much your entire nation sucks because you didn't play up to some imaginary standard. And don't give me this shit that new JP players were better than NA players that had been playing a while. I played FFXI with the JPs when the game was new. Guess what? They didn't know shit! We used to laugh our asses off at the mistakes we'd make and HOO BOY some of the job combinations we'd have fun with! My friend lived in Japan and we had an ls of 30+ people (only half of whom I could communicate with unfortunately). It was fun but the hours were murder on my sleep pattern! I've played for many years and I've come across asshole JPs and asshole NAs, one of the reasons we don't know how many jerks there are in the JP population is because we don't speak the language. I remember back to the JPs training crawlers to the zone in Crawlers Nest so they would aggro people and kill them. Then they would only raise the JPs and laugh at the others. So please don't start the "they are holier than thou" bullshit with me, we all have our faults no matter where we live. There are good and bad in ALL people and putting an entire nation of people on a pedestal is fucking ridiculous!

As for the easy modes in games, do not try to tell me that NA gamers are to blame. God damn... The developers put easy mode in or make their games easier to rake in more cash...and that includes JP developers. It's called greed. The game will appeal to a broader audience and therefore potentially bring in a larger profit. And they are doing this to get more people into gaming because their core audience is getting older. This way they can appeal to a younger than core base AND an older. It has nothing to do with anyone being lazy or any country of people being spoiled.

/moderator hat on

/em breaks up the crowd...

Come on people, move along! Nothing to see here!

[Takelli]

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Wow TGM... I've never seen that kind of post from you. Thats something I'd see Feba doing, but not you.

[Aksannyi]

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Well I for one do not disagree about a lot of people these days feeling a sense of entitlement for everything. It's actually gotten really bad, but I don't think it's just an American thing. Americans are just more vocal and public about their grievances which is why we get a bad rap for being whiny bitches, but everyone on the planet these days feels like they deserve more than they actually do.

[Ufgt]

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Get off Japan's nuts.

Entitlement and self centric attitudes are generational, not cultural.

Ah.. Tokyo Drift.. Good movie.

Holla! So good.

[TheGrandMom]

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Wow TGM... I've never seen that kind of post from you. Thats something I'd see Feba doing, but not you.

I did apologize beforehand Takelli. I know it's out of context for me but everyone does have their limits.

Well I for one do not disagree about a lot of people these days feeling a sense of entitlement for everything. It's actually gotten really bad, but I don't think it's just an American thing. Americans are just more vocal and public about their grievances which is why we get a bad rap for being whiny bitches, but everyone on the planet these days feels like they deserve more than they actually do.

Yes I think that most of the developed nations have become quite spoiled, Japan included. It just gets old hearing the same bs over and over how just one region of people are the bad guys. I don't count myself as a bad guy and I'm sick and tired of this overdone rhetoric.

[Feba]

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Thats something I'd see Feba doing, but not you.

I would've done it, except I haven't been reading this thread because I really don't give much of a damn over the rampant speculation people always pull from interviews.

However:

[Taskmage]

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D:

[Mhurron]

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Dear TheGrandMom,

You have received an infraction at Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community.

Reason: Flaming / Destructive criticism
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No need to stoop to his level. Please use the ignore feature.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

[hexx]

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TGM, have I told you I love you before? Destructive as that post was, it was full of win in my eyes as well.

I remember this one JP on my server, his dyna shell would jack our zones right as we were prepping to go in and hold it with just 4-5 people to annoy us. His excuse? "JP players have been playing longer, therefore have the right to access endgame first." Yeah and you thought only us NA/EU players are dicks.

[Aksannyi]

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A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's: She changes it more often.

LOL at this ... (sorry off topic) but I have to add ... so are our underwear.

[Pwnagraphic]

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/moderators hat OFF

Please let me first start off with an apology to the forum faithful for my outburst. In all my years here, I do not ever remember acting the way I am about to and I sincerely apologize for it. To my fellow moderators, please feel free to hand out an infraction. I will not hold it against you.

With that said...

Are you fucking serious!? Are we going to start down this same fucking shit path? Honest to fucking god I am so sick and tired of people sucking Japanese dick because their culture is different! Just because they look at things differently and approach situations from another perspective does not mean that they are superior in any way. They are just different from us.

And hey, you want to know why they were better players when we started playing? BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN PLAYING THE GAME BEFORE MOST OF US EVEN GOT OUR HANDS ON IT! Let's see you play something against a seasoned player and then have a slew of people sit there and tell you how much your entire nation sucks because you didn't play up to some imaginary standard. And don't give me this shit that new JP players were better than NA players that had been playing a while. I played FFXI with the JPs when the game was new. Guess what? They didn't know shit! We used to laugh our asses off at the mistakes we'd make and HOO BOY some of the job combinations we'd have fun with! My friend lived in Japan and we had an ls of 30+ people (only half of whom I could communicate with unfortunately). It was fun but the hours were murder on my sleep pattern! I've played for many years and I've come across asshole JPs and asshole NAs, one of the reasons we don't know how many jerks there are in the JP population is because we don't speak the language. I remember back to the JPs training crawlers to the zone in Crawlers Nest so they would aggro people and kill them. Then they would only raise the JPs and laugh at the others. So please don't start the "they are holier than thou" bullshit with me, we all have our faults no matter where we live. There are good and bad in ALL people and putting an entire nation of people on a pedestal is fucking ridiculous!

As for the easy modes in games, do not try to tell me that NA gamers are to blame. God damn... The developers put easy mode in or make their games easier to rake in more cash...and that includes JP developers. It's called greed. The game will appeal to a broader audience and therefore potentially bring in a larger profit. And they are doing this to get more people into gaming because their core audience is getting older. This way they can appeal to a younger than core base AND an older. It has nothing to do with anyone being lazy or any country of people being spoiled.

/moderator hat on

/em breaks up the crowd...

Come on people, move along! Nothing to see here!

[Kailea]

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*blink* woh..... lol nice TGM ;p

but now that is said, I say this.... for me at least its first hand experience, I don't praise the Japanese when I say this, but truly the NA tester forums are filled with a lot of crap. Not just "ideas and suggestions" but really crap.

Those numbers they pulled are pretty much the post counts of the forums.... and there for are way off on what is really there.

I stopped going there pretty much, because I got tired of the cheesecake threads and the other thread complaining (again complaining not giving feedback) on things that are not even finished in the game yet.

[Pwnagraphic]

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So you give feedback through the forums themselves and not another site/link which allows you to choose the frequency, area, etc?? I think I asked once, but I don't remember.