Aetheryte Help Tome

[Malacite]

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Winds strong enough to hurt large living beings aren't going to nurture fire, they'll put it out like a match. You could argue that a big enough fire will be boosted, but if you go to extremes then everything falls apart (a small flame won't melt a glacier, an ice cube doesn't impede wind, etc.)

Yes but my point was it'd be cool to see them go with something akin to how Grandia Handles it;

You have 4 basic elements, and then you have compound elements when you mix them (Water & Wind = Ice/Snow, Fire & Water gives Steam, Fire & Wind Lightning etc etc...)

Or at least maybe give us new spells that comprise multiple elements for a boost, or something 'cause Wind + Ice = hello frostbite. (Boo @ Canadian Winters @_@)

Also I've always assumed that wind > earth because Wind is usually the Domain of Aerial beings vs Groundlings so... yeah. Because Wind sure as shit doesn't > Earth, in fact it's usually the other way around (why do you think people hide underground when a Tornado hits >.>)

Again though, it'd be awesome to see combination elemental spells. Earth + Fire = Magma? (or even better, flaming Meteors!)

[Yellow Mage]

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Easier game balance, Balfree. In your proposed system, for example, and all other things being equal, nearly everybody would use Wind and nobody would use Ice.

The way I see it, Ice only beat Wind in XI for the same reason Paper beats Rock. It's just that simple.

[Kailea]

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Not sure why games repeatedly throw the element wheel at us...

Multiple elements are weak or strong to more than one element.

Ice is melted by Fire, also crushed by Earth.
Earth erodes with Water and absorbs Lightning.
Wind extinguishes Fire and disperses Water, has no dense body isn't too affected by Lightning.
Water boils with Fire and is shocked by Lightning.

Etc..?

guess they do the wheel because its easier? *shrugs* Its all I could think of ;p

[Balfree]

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Not sure why games repeatedly throw the element wheel at us...

Multiple elements are weak or strong to more than one element.

Ice is melted by Fire, also crushed by Earth.
Earth erodes with Water and absorbs Lightning.
Wind extinguishes Fire and disperses Water, has no dense body isn't too affected by Lightning.
Water boils with Fire and is shocked by Lightning.

Etc..?

[Taskmage]

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Interesting. So no more ability usage outside battle? Wonder how that'll impact things like Flee, spell casting (especially warps and cures). If you have to be in active mode, can you not use them in cities?

You can be in active mode outside of battle, including in cities, and you can be in passive mode while something is still engaged to you. Incidentally, many things that are not normally aggressive will deaggro you after you've been in passive mode for enough time. Warps and teles can only be used in passive mode, same with certain actions such as harvesting and synthesis (these commands go on your hotbar just like combat commands) and of course /logoff. Most things are active mode only though. If I'm running by and see someone in need of a cure, I do need to stop and take a second to draw my weapon before I can cast it on them.

Wind puts out fire? Tell that to California, dipshits.

Thumbs up for this.

[Yellow Mage]

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Wind erodes Earth
Earth smothers Fire
Fire consumes Wind

Lightning boils Water
Water splits Ice
Ice insulates Lightning

Reasoning for the latter triangle being that pure water is a much better insulator than conductor, and it's rather difficult to freeze water with impurities.

Yes no maybe?

[Feba]

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movement speed is slightly reduced

I see a kiting exploit in here somewhere.

you will learn new actions which can be used while in Active Mode.

Interesting. So no more ability usage outside battle? Wonder how that'll impact things like Flee, spell casting (especially warps and cures). If you have to be in active mode, can you not use them in cities?



As someone who spent most of his time in FFXI playing BLM, what the fuck is up with the Wind/Water swap? Wind puts out fire? Tell that to California, dipshits.

Interesting that they switched some of the elements around though... WTF @ Fire being weak to wind now? That makes no fucking sense. Yes, a strong gust can put out a fire, but wind can also spread fire.

Yeah see I'm reading this thread at 4AM in Febatime, and I'm fucking agreeing and nearly writing the exact same thing as Malacite, only sounding slightly less stupid. SE, what the fuck.

You object to this, but please explain to me how "ice obstructs wind" is supposed to work.

Yes, Ice > Wind seemed odd to me at first too, but two things:

One, it was a necessary evil to complete the scheme. Not so in FFXIV, where water erodes earth. Yes, it sort of makes sense (See: Grand Canyon), but then that's more "Rock". Most earth-type thingies are plants and the like, which are very much not going to suffer from having some water sprayed at them.

Two, any solid object can obstruct wind. Of all the elements, Ice is probably the best one for standing up against it.

He conned green.

To be fair, my mother, whose video game experience otherwise sums up as some Phoenix Wright, Brain Age, and some godforsaken Grey's Anatomy title, figured this out.

I don't even get why Ice is an element

Because Ice = Shiva.

And Shiva = Blue Tits.

Blue Tits = Still Tits.

QED, Ice Element = Tits.

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Winds strong enough to hurt large living beings aren't going to nurture fire,

Based on the "eroding Earth" description, I always assumed wind spells weren't themselves harmful, it was more the shit that you got blown at you.


Tiny floating specks of diamonds.

[Armando]

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Interesting read.

though again, like Fire, it should naturally combine with Wind to make a much more potent compound effect...)

Winds strong enough to hurt large living beings aren't going to nurture fire, they'll put it out like a match. You could argue that a big enough fire will be boosted, but if you go to extremes then everything falls apart (a small flame won't melt a glacier, an ice cube doesn't impede wind, etc.)

[Taskmage]

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Well damn... I figured with the PT vs PT theme in XIV, mobs in general would be weaker than in XI (let's not kid ourselves, mobs in XI are way too strong)

It's hard to draw conclusions considering pretty much everyone is a lowbie, but XIV mobs are weaker than XI ones. I can solo even match mobs with relative ease on conjurer.

Something interesting to note is that mobs will con easier with more people in your party and also con harder if they are in a group, but that information need to be taken with a small block of salt. Crabs con red to me for example, but they dropped down to green when a couple friends joined party so we decided to give them a try. I died in one shot, the pugilist took two, archer got the heck out of dodge. Likewise I ran into a group of mobs in a leve that contained half a dozen little bugs that would link with each other. They all conned red because they were grouped but their damage was really cheesy and it only took two AoEs to clear them all.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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There is no check option for the strength of a mob so nothing appears in the chat log. You just target it and there is a colored circle next to its name.

Its the same scheme as most other MMOs, so it actually not that hard to remember. Even FFXII used it. That's why I always knew that first T-Rex you see in Dalmasca Estersands was friendly or at least wouldn't attack me. He conned green.

When it was released in Japan, a lot of people went right after that T-Rex thinking it was something they could and should attack, then ran to the internet to cry about how hard the T-Rex "boss" was.

[Yellow Mage]

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Also, I can raise by PIE stat simply by buying more pies, right?

Only if they're bought from the Friar Tuck.

[Malacite]

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Well damn... I figured with the PT vs PT theme in XIV, mobs in general would be weaker than in XI (let's not kid ourselves, mobs in XI are way too strong)


And as for Ice > Wind... I guess because it's a physical object typically much more dense than soil? Though in other SE games, most notably the Mana Series, Earth encompases basic elements too such as Carbon (hi2u Diamond Missile) so... meh whatever. Ice has to beat something (though again, like Fire, it should naturally combine with Wind to make a much more potent compound effect...)

To be perfectly frank I don't even get why Ice is an element; it's just another state of Water.

[TheGrandMom]

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Not a MAJOR change, but it saves a bit of time and minimizes chat log clutter.

There is no check option for the strength of a mob so nothing appears in the chat log. You just target it and there is a colored circle next to its name. Its up to you to remember what the color means. Its still the same as XI though where a EP can still kick your ass at times. lol

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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These guys say wood beats water, where's the love for the elemental wheel of the Battle Beasts?

Also, I can raise by PIE stat simply by buying more pies, right?

[Yellow Mage]

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WTF @ Fire being weak to wind now? That makes no fucking sense.

You object to this, but please explain to me how "ice obstructs wind" is supposed to work.

Yes, it was in XI. Yes, it may have been just to complete XI's bigger elemental wheel. No, it didn't make any more sense there, either.