Benediction not 100% heal

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

These are unwarranted criticism for solid research on game mechanism. Lasareth should be applauded, not belittled.

I already see immediate application for WHM's in Valkrum Dunes. By the way, I'm one of those who have used Benediction but didn't get full HP for everyone in party--and now I finally know why.

All knowledge are worth having.

:/ Taking words out of context it the devil's playground.

[Lmnop]

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preeeetty sure damage takes a penalty based on level. i.e. you do a WS, damage is multiplied (somewhere) by a constant that gets smaller the higher level you are. Would it be so strange for Bene to do something similar? Each level WHM gives a slightly smaller multiplier than the last level to the total HP.

[-Demitrius-]

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I could just be missing something here, but looking at the data, the formula seems pretty obvious.

Level 68 has a max HP of 978.

Level 1 healed level 68 for 14 HP. 1/68 of 978 = 14

Level 2 healed level 68 for 28 HP. 2/68 of 978 = 28

Level 38 healed level 68 for 546 HP. 38/68 of 978 = 546.

The formula seems to be (max HP of target) * (level of WHM) / (level of target).

[Lasareth]

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Demitrius, that does seem to be the case :O I ran the test with me and another rdm, level 62. He was inferior in all stats to me, yet he was healed for more, most likely due to the level difference between him and the whm. In addition that formula would be consistent with all the other samples I've taken.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

I could just be missing something here, but looking at the data, the formula seems pretty obvious.

Level 68 has a max HP of 978.

Level 1 healed level 68 for 14 HP. 1/68 of 978 = 14

Level 2 healed level 68 for 28 HP. 2/68 of 978 = 28

Level 38 healed level 68 for 546 HP. 38/68 of 978 = 546.

The formula seems to be (max HP of target) * (level of WHM) / (level of target).

So, according to this information.........

as long as the level of WHM and the "target of benediction" is the same, the person will be healed to full....

well now, what have we here..... =D

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

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(disregard this section of post... double submitted - error.... talk about computers at work)

[Taskmage]

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It seems to me what we have there is a model describing how not only is Benediction not 100% heal, but the conditions required for it to heal less than 100% are actually quite common (the healer's level being lower than the tank and melee). Furthermore, it shows that the tests that you referred to which had been done to prove the opposite were either made up, imagined or poorly concieved.

Lasareth was right and you were wrong. Your posting in this thread since that was proven have only drawn more attention to this fact rather than saving face as I assume they were intended to do. Just drop the issue.

[Sevv]

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nice tests now ppl dont yell at me for saying it isnt 100% lol /clap

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

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It seems to me what we have there is a model describing how not only is Benediction not 100% heal, but the conditions required for it to heal less than 100% are actually quite common (the healer's level being lower than the tank and melee). Furthermore, it shows that the tests that you referred to which had been done to prove the opposite were either made up, imagined or poorly concieved.

Lasareth was right and you were wrong. Your posting in this thread since that was proven have only drawn more attention to this fact rather than saving face as I assume they were intended to do. Just drop the issue.

I apologize. You seem to assume people are wanting to "bite off their nose to spite their own face."

You also failed to read certain things that that were admitted, and I will not point them out, because you obviously seem intelligent enough to warrant a response.

So, I strike your statement from the realm of understanding, because, it didn't come from there.

[Omniblast]

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Added to subscribed. Good read.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Re: Taskmage's comments.

So, I strike your statement from the realm of understanding, because, it didn't come from there.

Taskmage read you correctly; you cited non-existing "facts" and tests, then attempted cover up your mistakes by disparaging the significance and innovation of Lasareth's testing.

Taskmage's comments were right on the mark.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

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Re: Taskmage's comments.


Taskmage read you correctly; you cited non-existing "facts" and tests, then attempted cover up your mistakes by disparaging the significance and innovation of Lasareth's testing.

Taskmage's comments were right on the mark.

No, he failed to read where I applauded the tests, humbly bowed to said-poster for testing the limits of popular thinking and reiterated that the point of the test, while proving that is not 100% heal, still is 100% heal given the circumstances of the job's level.

If you're keeping score, which, I really don't know why you would on this kind of thing because its like dross, then, had anyone read posts correctly, would not have felt to continue the conversation, in that sense. If you want to insinuate alot of meaningless jargon, by all means feel free. But you're grossly mistaken. Please be advised.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I pointed out Shinhiryu_Kage's "congratulation" was a backhanded compliment, and he accused me of "taking words out of context"; Taskmage correctly identified his motive, and he accused Taskmae of "not from realm of understanding." Seems like subsequent exchanges are about as useless, as well.

This is getting silly.

Shinkhiryu_Kage: Apparently, you are incapable of admitting wrong doing, and can only return insults for any criticism encountered.

Here's an example of admitting wrong doing:

Sorry to have derailed the conversation of this thread; it's good work on the part of Lasareth and Demitrius, and I apologize for keep going off topic. I won't be responding to Shinhiryu_Kage any longer.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

I pointed out Shinhiryu_Kage's "congratulation" was a backhanded compliment, and he accused me of "taking words out of context"; Taskmage correctly identified his motive, and he accused Taskmae of "not from realm of understanding." Seems like subsequent exchanges are about as useless, as well.

This is getting silly.

Shinkhiryu_Kage: Apparently, you are incapable of admitting wrong doing, and can only return insults for any criticism encountered.

Here's an example of admitting wrong doing:

Sorry to have derailed the conversation of this thread; it's good work on the part of Lasareth and Demitrius, and I apologize for keep going off topic. I won't be responding to Shinhiryu_Kage any longer.

A backhanded compliment? A hidden motive? Excuse you, I'm very sorry, but you're terribly incorrect. That's a ridiculous notion. But, obviously, you're set on your derenged sense of intuition and frankly, I'll leave you to it.

This is a forum about a video game. Believe me, I have much better things to waste my energy on than hatching some hidden plan to thwart the likes of someone.

Honestly, if you think in this manner, you must watch too much tv. Not everyone is unscrupulous. There's just simply several sides to any angle, and you're aparently 1 dimensional.

It matters not, frankly I will go on about my way as well. Good day to you.

[Clever Ninja]

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Congratulations.

I can /bow before information and data proving that popular thinking is wrong.

However, you still risk sounding silly when you consider the notion. I mean, what person is going to take their under-leveled WHM and go heal an Alliance vs Niddhog. Spike Fail Do you Need it?

As was mentioned, for all intents and purposes, Bene will heal to full when its suppose to. Otherwise.... anything else is not a correct situation.

Was anything proven? Sure. Was anything proven that's worth something to a normal, intelligent situation? No. lol

So Shinhiryu, maybe in your own little world in your mind this is a perfectly normal post, but the tone that comes from it is not a positive one at all. You among others got proven wrong by actual proof with actual tests. Noone else is making posts like this to attempt to save face(which you are. Whether you intended to or not is a moot point, thats what this post is attempting to do.)

And you actually have the nerve to attack Taskmage? Lol, I'm just gonna outright add you to the ignore list, don't wanna read anymore wannabe-elitists posts from yourself if your gonna continue that on these forums.