OKAY! THAT'S IT! I'm ending this NOW!

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by Walkman
I have a Mithra WAR actually ... and I was ina party right before I posted this topic. Well, one of the guys did a BAD miss-tell and put this in the party chat (I think it was meant for the leader):

"Why'd you get a Mithra WAR?? There has to be a Hume around ..."

I got pissed and left, told him to go **** himself, got out of FFXI, came here. lol

Ah I see. You know, there are just some people who hate a race for no particular reason. Even if they are doing a great job/doing nothing wrong, some ppl will still piss on you just cause you picked taru or mithra or galka or elvaan. People are wierd.

[lilkobeboy]

Some of you are lower lvl and do know what goes on.What was said before,equip matters. With all the STR and attack + the enmity,if you keep hitting and double attack,your gonna get hate no matter what,and the pld sometimes cant do anything about it.

[Alontier]

Side note: higher VIT decreases damage taken.

The damage taken from monsters is calculated through these steps.

1. Weapon Damage of the weapon the mob is using >
2. Mob STR vs Player VIT >
3. Mob Att vs Player Def

VIT decreases the avarage damage
Def decreases the hit frequency (edit: Def decreases damage taken)

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Tokitoki
Also DEF doesnt decrease hit frquency, i dunno where you got that from, AGI is evasion (hit frequency). DEF decreases damage taken after the curve that VIT creates, if you can understand that...

Tokitoki, I stand corrected about Def and hit frequency.
Just wrote hastely wrote down what I recalled at the moment

[Rawls]

i would agree with MithraLover that race doesn't matter as much as the skill of the person behind the keyboard, actually 3 of the most successful PLDs I've PTed with have been a taru, a mithra and a Hume.. even the elves and galkas didn't do as well as them imho.

The Hume and the mithra were able to keep hate on them after a benediction and the taru had all that MP to back him up... an elf PLD i had a few lvls later had 110 mp most of the time in the party... he wasn't resting to get mp either.. and its not like we had a RDM or BRD either:dead:

[Tokitoki]

Originally posted by MithraLover


Still depends on what bag of tricks each one has. Mithra have better Dex (?) so they will get missed a good bit more.

That would be AGI that helps evasion smart guy...

Also DEF doesnt decrease hit frquency, i dunno where you got that from, AGI is evasion (hit frequency). DEF decreases damage taken after the curve that VIT creates, if you can understand that...

[Ghostraven]

I've PT with PLD of every race.


Mithra and taru for some reason always end up being the best PLD I have ever partied with.

[Sasarai]

Testing your so called theory of Taru being the worst melee job..

36 NIN
50 WAR

Leveling PLD next, I think the outcome will be the same, that I can tank and still get good exp. Next?

10 PLD

[Nameless]

Originally posted by MithraLover


Still depends on what bag of tricks each one has. Mithra have better Dex (?) so they will get missed a good bit more.

I would take the Mithra if she had a cute ass and lots of enhancement items on her.
And if the person driving was extra skilled.

Same could be said with the Galka though.

But I could pimp out a Mithra and make lots of Gil to keep my items full.

TAKE OFF TEH CLOTHS AN U GET TEH HATW PT!!111111

Seriously, you're an idiot.

[Lupine]

Why in the hell do people say Humes can tank ... and Mithra's can't!? WTF, people! THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME RACE BESIDES THAT MITHRA HAVE A DEX INCREASE!! So, actually that would make Mithra's BETTER tank's than Humes. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME HP/VIT/STR ... EVERYTHING!

Wrong.

[IpwnzuLoL!!!111]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
heh, shoot away. It was a weak defense for the devil anyway...


ok i see what you mean bout the DEX, but I wouldn't directly relate that to tanking.

(btw, you're taru. where'd this mithra affirmative action come from all of the sudden?)

Haven't read the whole thread yet, honestly, but has anyone even mentioned that like 10AGI is going to be > 1/2 VIT for a tank?

[Jaggywaggy]

Humes don't just have slightly better vit and hp to offset alot more agi and dex, humes also have slightly more str and a noticable chuck more mnd.

Str wouldn't be too useful to a pld hitting for crap IMO though however the case is different for str and warrior. But mnd, mnd will matter. Not so much at early levels but later on you'll fight mobs with magic, and the mnd does indeed help, less damage taken= more hp left + more hate left.

The dex and agi is good for obvious reasons though, I'd definitely be happy with either as my party's tank based on stats alone.

And it's offically been said by FFXI in a interview that chr helps some WSs, will better WS= more hate, aat least that would make logical sense. The link to the interview was somewhere in the paladin forums by the way.

Really though, if anyone thinks either is a far better tank, they're poorly informed and/or is an idiot.

[kowboy]

The race doesnt make the tank, the player does =P

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by kowboy
The race doesnt make the tank, the player does =P

agreed. tho certain races will make a player's life easier.

I don't know about the +10 AGI > +2 VIT, but where are you getting these numbers? the differences aren't that drastic.

[Macht]

Yeah, Race doesn't matter it's the players skills. I heard of a RNG Mithra being kicked from a party because they said the Archer's Knife were not doing enough damage. The funny part is the knifes were hardly being used, the Bow was and it was easily dealing out 100's in damage each shot compaired to the 3 DRK's 30's a hit. Some players are just to naive it seems.

[Ungerpurr]

Mithra have the same HP/MP as humes. I dunno where people are getting the idea that they differ in this respect. The only STAT they have the same is INT, though.

At level 59, a mithra of the same job/sj as a hume will have:

3 less str
11 more dex
3 less vit
7 more agi
same int
3 less mnd
7 less cha

Out of all of those, the only ones that really matter to a pld tank are vit and mnd. Therefore, for a pld job, hume is a better tank than mithra.

For a nin tank, mithra could actually be better than hume. They are far more dependent on hitting stuff to get hate than plds are, and not getting hit themselves, and mithra are better in both respects. A good ninja doesn't get hit very often, so the vit difference isn't very important.

Up until level 74, a warrior tank is going to be getting hit a lot, just like the pld, so higher vit is good. On the other hand, they also need to hit things to hold aggro, so higher dex is good. I'd say this one is a wash, at least until 74, at which point I'd give it to mithra.

While any race can be any job, some races are better suited to some jobs. It's just a fact. Mithra IS, in most cases, a worse tank than a hume. It's not a huge difference, but the difference is there, and it's stupid to ignore it.

Edit: As far as I'm aware, the stat calculator is accurate through level 59. It's still spot-on for my stats at 51, anyway.