Rumored about subbing nin

[Syndicate Corp]

I heard from a few ppl saying that with nin as a sub to your main war that even though you cannot duel wield a 2h great axe but because of the nin dual wield it will shorten the great axes delay making you swing/attack more frequently.

Is this true, has anyone experiment/tried this before?

[DannyForgette]

warriors should only sub ninja at lvl 74 or is it 72, when they can use utseni: ni(blink 2)

[munky@thechosen]

i beleave he was asking about the delays and weapon usage not Ninjitsu.

i was thinking of taking a NIN sub with my Warrior.

what are the practical benefits? when would i get dual wield? and what bonuses would i get?

[TMPikachu]

dual wield improves with ninja levels, right? so there's a bonus

the biggest bonus though... would be a warrior getting 'double' the bonus from 'magic' weapons

for example... say an axe gives att+3, with two, you get att+6
at the sacrifice of defense though.

and it looks really, really cool to use two axes, or two of anything for that matter

[Rico]

Warrior's shouldn't be subbing Nin since they are a tank for most of the time needed and using two swords or axe will just make slow delay you want a good combo for warrior? go Samurai thats what I am planning on doing WAR/SAM good combo.

[TMPikachu]

Originally posted by Rico
Warrior's shouldn't be subbing Nin since they are a tank for most of the time needed and using two swords or axe will just make slow delay you want a good combo for warrior? go Samurai thats what I am planning on doing WAR/SAM good combo.

how can you be a Naruto fan and NOT want a Ninja!?

actually... stats wise, samurai do not take hits well, though they give more hp's, ninjas have a much easier time dodging.
if you want a warrior tank, then sub paladin or mnk.

[Rico]

with sam sub it's all about the WS for multihitting great axe ws and some status ones also. and I wanna try out ninja

[Tokitoki]

you dont sub a PLD, thats one of those Adv Job as a Sub Job no-no's you hear about.

[Emrys]

Once you get past 30, I think Paladins are usually the ones doing the tanking, so Warriors can worry less about their DEF and worry more about their ATK. I think subbing SAM is a good idea for the TP.

[Xero_0]

As far as i experienced in WAR/NIN combo, dual weilding doesnt speed up your swings using a 2 hand weapon. However, i have attacked upto 4 times in a row when i dual weild as war/nin. Usually, double attack goes through during dual weilds which gives you 3 hits. The 4th hit is extremely rare to see lol. As for ninja as a sub, i wouldnt really consider it a good sub until lv74 (BOTH utsusemi's) this is when war can be an untouchable tank. Once you hit 60 with your war, sub samurai. That combo is extremely useful after 60.

[Rico]

Yeah it's a good combo two people in my LS already have war at lvl 60 with sam subbed and they say it's awsome and helps out. Also WAR's DEF is fine it doesn't compare PLD's DEF but it's not bad at all.

[Syndicate Corp]

Still a bit unclear on why most say not sub nin (war/nin). Due to me just all out crafting I haven't been in many groups yet (maybe one or 2) :p

But does a war use a 1h weap and shield if he/she is the main tank in the group or he/she use the war's specialty weap, the 2h great axe?

If that's so (great axe) then what is the difference if the war tanks with one big axe, or by subbing nin to use maybe two 1h weaps (mostly with additional stats to up your characters stats)?

I mean either way you're not using a shield.


Now if war does use a shield to block and help it tank I understand. Still from reading and hearing from alot of others ingame, high lvl wars tend to use either great axes or great swords...and that mean no shields.

My only guess is that the subs like monk/sam etc for either high hp or tp is the case.

Can anyone shed some light on all of this?

[Rekiem]

Dual Axe will boost your damage over time, even its a small bonus. Wearing two stats boosting Axes is nice. You can also use Utsemi to allow you to take less hits. I just don't see why WAR/NIN would be a bad combo..

[DannyForgette]

WAR/NIN is just a mediocre combo until 74 when they get both utsemi. the reason you dont dual weild 1 hand axes is beacuse warriors are meant to be tanks, not damage dealers. also one hand axes dont get the _break weapon skills which are usually expected of warriors.

WAR/NIN
1-19 pretty useless you dont get any ninjitsu until the tonko: ichi
20-23 still pretty useless, but you do have dual weild
24-73 you get utsemi: ichi, and other _: ichi ninjitsu
74-75 you have utsemi: ni, nuff said, i would still prefer using a great axe though

[Rico]

Warriors are basic melee they can tank and deal damage. If you want to Deal Damage you can go WAR/NIN or WAR/SAM. Though it's Recomended to do WAR/SAM to get fast TP and dish out great Weapon Skills. Or subb NIN to have the ability to attack twice but you'll be mission out Warriors true great axe skill. If you want to be a tank WAR/MNK is your best bet.