Level 24- Sub Thoughts

[Xyphere]

Once I get my Theif to 24 I was wondering what I should sub for the best performance.

I was thinking Ninja for blink when pulling, Dual wield (Beestinger and a sword in the other hand) , and the ability to have Invis and such. However dual wield would not help much when talking about delay.

Warrior would not help too much at level 24, but Provoke and +DEF is a nice bonus.

Monk I think would be intresting for boost and Martial Arts I think would help while using h2h weapons.

Just asking for imput...please dont flame
Note: I am an elf and I have done the research

[Tifa]

I played my thief to level 25. I subbed MNK from 1-19, using Boost, etc. Once I hit 20, I switched to NIN sub. Dual wield is pretty cool, even if the delay doesnt help that much.

Also, why would you think that WAR sub's +DEF could possibly be better than blink?

not getting hit > higher defense

I would say if you plan to take thief higher than 30, you'll want to have a NIN sub. But, up until 30, try them all out and see what you like. Have fun experimenting.

[Xyphere]

Originally posted by Tifa
Also, why would you think that WAR sub's +DEF could possibly be better than blink?

not getting hit > higher defense

True, I guess WAR would really only be worth it for Prvoke (mage saving)

[Mithrankittycat]

Ninja, since you have it available before 30. If you're playing right, you will get the monster to attack you after skillchains during levels 15-29. You should be able to blink 5-6 hits and evade a few in between until the monster dies or attacks the tank. Mew.

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Mithrankittycat
You should be able to blink 5-6

Purrr....Inless i'm missing something. Lower level blink can't be used for sub until level 24 and it only absorbs 3 hits. By your level you should be fighting Mandras or Goblins. I highly doubt you will be able to "envade" those ����(IT) inless of course you re equip envasion gear.....just had to say that >.>


btw xyph...make me a sig =P....

[ZQM]

It's quite simple John Doe III. Most THF/NINs I party with (along with myself) use Utsusemi at camp, then go pull. If they don't get hit at all when pulling, that means that have 3 shadows. By the time they get back to camp, get in position, and do SC, 30 seconds should pass by. You get hate, the moster attacks you 3 times. Once you're last shadow is about to be used, you use Utsusemi again. You dodge 3 more hits. 6 hits dodged.

[Mithrankittycat]

Oh nyan, you blink ahead of time to carry 3 shadows. When your 2nd shadow is lost, you start recasting.

[John Doe III]

Me forget ><.

[Sabastion]

Imma take thf to 20 with war cause I loath subbing mnk and h-h. It also gives me provoke incase I happen to run by Lizzy or other nm. Once I hit 20 i'm starting on my NIN to 15 then switching back.

[Xyphere]

ok, I'll go with ninja I suppose then for blink. I can also equip 2 +AGI and DEX weapons I suppose

[Melkor]

Im liking Thf/Mnk alot, only Lvl 16 atm though.
I do good dmg with normal attacks with H2H, alot more then a Dagger, and when I do SA+Combo, it does big damage, got up to 200 today againt IT with High Def + Eva :D
Boost also helps alot, if Im not the puller I can sit there and boost and do a normal SA for 100+

[gh32]

Even though it's not what I did (because I didn't know any better), at any level before 33, if damage is your main goal, then I am of the belief that thf/mnk with good gear, weapons, and food, cannot be topped by any melee, save perhaps RNG.

Food + Boost + Sneak Attack + Combo = lotsa damage. ^^

Get someone to start with with a weapon skill like Piercing Arrow or Red Lotus Blade, and you'll be doing even more damage, as renkei damage is more dependant on the second weaponskill's strength. Were I to level Thief all over again, this is what I'd do.

Now, all of this is moot if you want to have other abilities, such as provoke to help the mages, as noted above. I suppose the best thing to do, is to have all possible subs leveled, so you can be as versatile and helpful to your party as possible.

Hope this helps some. Good luck!

[Melkor]

Im starting to not like Thf/Mnk as much as I used too.
My normal SA dmg with a Dagger is higher then when I use H2H, TP builds slower with H2H because I miss more often(at lvl 20, H2H is 10 points lower) and when I do SA+Combo, the dmg isnt too great because I miss the hits often, although if they DO all connect which doesnt happen to often, it hurts ALOT(180-220dmg)
I got the best EQ for my Lvl & use Mithkabobs all the time so thats not the problem.

Ill be going Thf/Nin tomorrow, and using a Dagger & Sword to see how that works with normal SA dmg and SA+WS & TP Gain.