trick attack bug in last patch?

[PhoR]

anyone else been having trouble with trick attack not hitting the person in front of you, but some other person not even anywhere near you?

once my fuidama on our secondary tank even stacked hate on a rdm that was standing right beside the main tank on the OPPOSITE side of the mob from me.

This has been happening randomly since this last patch, i hope they fix it soon.

[Mithrael]

Yes, we tried several times in a party this weekend in a config like this:

[CODE]
T
A
B X C
D
[/CODE]

Where D provokes, and T trick attacks onto A to place hate. Several times in a row, the hate went to B or C. Ultimately, we had to change the standing formation to avoid it.

[LordBiGGs]

i dont think this is a bug, i think its how trick attack works. i remember reading somewhere that you're supposed to trick attack from the side. like the enemy has to be facing the direction of the person you're trick attacking behind but not looking directly at them. something along those lines.

[Anya]

No, that was yokodama.

/mourn

[Tokitoki]

FYI, yokodama was elminated in the Dec patch thats what the /mourn is for.

It does sometimes jump for some reason... I was in a party(PLD,RDM,THF(me),BRD,WHM,WHM) and i had to Trick off the RDM which wasnt so bad becuase i waited til the end so he wouldnt die. occasionally the monster would attack the BRD who was to the side attacking it with his Monster Signa

[vudoodoodoo]

It nevered happened to me. If you have a good tank (like PLD) in the party, it's not a big deal if it happens anyways. He'll pull the mob off whoever pretty quickly. Only melee guys should be standing around the mob anyways, so they can take a few hits. Mages know to stay back.
I tricked attack onto a bard once though. :sweat:

[Nightrider]

Well, if the tank ( hopefully pld) is good, he shouldn't lose hate even if fuidama goes into effect. I rarely lose the hate. and i always have a theif in my pt. Sometimes two for double fuidama. I just Cure3, flash, and provoke( every 30 sec) and i never lose my hate. It is easier now though with my AF gloves (enmity +2) but still, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I have heard complaints only about fuidama being nerfed (weakened) thats all .
MAtta ne!

[bside]

Originally posted by Mithrael

[CODE]
T
A
B X C
D
[/CODE]

Where D provokes, and T trick attacks onto A to place hate. Several times in a row, the hate went to B or C. Ultimately, we had to change the standing formation to avoid it.

any chance that T was facing toward B or C, rather than A? if that is true, maybe it could be explained.

although Yokodama can no longer be used since the Dec patch, what was "fixed" was only Sneak Attack, and Trick Attack can still be performed from the same position of Yokodama. (as a matter of fact, i still use such positioning when we fight in a tight spot, and when only Trick Attack is necessary.) and, TA puts hate onto whoever u r facing toward.

this may have been the case, but other than that... no clue.

[Mithrael]

Bside, that was my thought too. If it is true that whoever you are directly facing gets the hate, regardless if you are behind them, then I don't see why this wouldn't work:

[code]
D
T
B X C
A
[/code]

If the thief could find just the right angle to get both the sneak and to be facing the PLD at the same time, it should work like the old fuidama, only from behind the enemy instead of from the side. I think this may warrant some farther investigation. Would be a gift to THF (and DRK/THF at lv.60+).

I forgot to mention in the previous scenario that the theif's sneak attack definitely went off too, it was a nice 450 damage Viper Bite.

As far as a good tank goes, of course they can pull it back off, but if you're starting a fight this way, it takes a while, maybe 20-30 seconds.

[Slacko]

Yesterday I just had this bug happened to me. I was going to do Fui on the secondary tank when the whm came running and stayed at the side of the mob (he was going to cast protectraII). The fui came and the hate goes to the whm, which shocked all of us.

Fortunately no one died in the end. It sure was bizarre.

[InuTrunks]

Same exact setup


Where C was hte WHM and B was the Bard, but yea, I was sure I was faceing the "Temp provoker" (the PLD was A), and several times, the bard would get the hate placed on him.

I think it has to do where the bard is standing if he is standing over the line in the middle twords me, it gets placed on him, but if he stands closer to D it gets placed on A

[miffycat]

2 basic concepts to understand:

Sneak - For it to work, you must standing be behind the mob within a small range of angle. Assuming the position directly behind the mob to be 0 degrees, you should be allowed to stand from a range of -15 to +15 degrees angle.

Trick - For it to work, your body must be facing a party member with no mob inbetween this sight.


Some of you guys have the wrong concept about how trick works. The most important factor in trick is the fact that you must be facing a another party member for it to work. More accurately, your entire body should be squared towards that member. It doesnt matter if you are not facing the butt of the party member or the butt of the mob, it only matters that when you unlock from lock-on target, your view of sight is centered on that party member.

The only possible reason i can think of as to why T transferred his hate to B or C is because while doing fuidama, T is actually facing either B or C and not A. Standing behind A alone is not enough, you have to be facing him directly. If you follow the rules of sneak/trick you will realise that you can actually fuidama B or C from T's position easily.

The most common method of doing fuidama is that the thf move into fuidama position relative to the mob, ie your target is lock on to the mob. There is nothing wrong in doing this, but guys, don't you realise when you do trick your emphasis should be on targeting that party member and not the mob. For me, i will always move relative to the trick target rather than the mob. An old habit i've pick up from yokodama. When i move relative to the trick target and stops behind him, i know for sure my whole body will be facing him. It doesn't matter if i am directly behind him so long as i am facing him AND i am still within the range angle for sneak.

Never assume just because you are directly behind the tanker, you are definitely facing him. So long as you are moving relative to the mob, your body will always be primarily squared towards that mob.

Use /target <st> and F2~F6

[Rykielz]

miffycat, thanks sooo much for the tips, i just hit level 30 with my thf and i had no idea how to set up a fuidama corectly, thanks to you i konwhow to do it now.

[PhoR]

miffy, i have been targeting my trick partner before fui since i first got trick.

I am talking about a bug that is placing the hate of trick on the wrong person.
;;;;;;Pld
;rng mob drk
;;;;;;sam
;;;;;;;thf

with this setup, and my target locked on the sam, occasionally the mob has turned at our rng or drk immediately after fui.
this has to be a bug.

leave it to square-enix to nerf thf to hell by taking away yokodama, and then screw up trick attack as well.

/em is frustrated.