What's The Best Subjob For Thief Hands Down

[Lyneun]

Well Im making a Mithra Thief and wondering what is the best subjob for THF?

I have no exp with THF and don't know much about it,though I think that THF is the one in the party who keeps the hate under control and on the tank.

So what Job would best suit a THF to have as sub?

I was Thinking THF/NIN.

[Deodorant]

Re: What's The Best Subjob For Thief Hands Down

Originally posted by Lyneun
I was Thinking THF/NIN.

Well I was thinking read the 591,134,100 other threads about thief subjobs. Now go annoy somebody else.

[Sinzer]

Don't forget THF/BRD

Pretty awesome sub :p

Hehe........ seriously just read the threads that are already posted on this

[Delaque]

Well, to be kind and ANSWER your question since you posted it for a reason....

I am now a lvl 40thf/20nin. To say the least ultimately the NIN IMHO is the best subjob for the thf. Its Dex, and Agi adds are wonderful for an already dextrous/agile type. The ability to dual wield daggers that boost stats have REALLY taken me above the pack. Me being an elvaan thf I have outshined many mithra thfs of the same lvl just off shear stats and ferocity of attack.

Now I say ULTIMATELY NIN is the best sub because I do feel along the way to say lvl 20thf there are several other subjobs to consider as you climb the ladder.

Mnk comes to mind as you are a thf and you are able to use knuckles as well and get that sweet combo ws early on. Mnk only complements these hand to hand abilities and thier stats boosts and hand to hand specialty can only help, not hurt. Plus the sneak attack>> combo combination is a great source for added dmg early on. But I would suggest once you reach lvl 20thf switch to nin for dual wield. (at the latest wait till around 30-33 thf when you get viper bite THEN switch to NIN for dual dagger wielding goodness....but this of course is NOT status quo)

War, also is a neat fit for thf early on. Monsters aren't too tough and you can sustain quite a bit of dmg early on and having the stat boosts of a war plus the PT eye catcher of provoke, you will be a valuable asset to any PT climbing the early lvls of say 10-25. And you can still use knuckles and what not as you would mnk. Granted you will be a bit slower with thf/war combination using hand to hand weps but th potential for dmg is still great with you getting berserk around lvl thf 30/15 war.

But as I said ultimately you want to switch to thf/nin. you speed increases gradually with dual wield, and later in lvls YOU WILL be using daggers for thf. So if you will be using them, might as well use two if you can. Plus the nin spells add a nice touch to and already meaty main job. I just find it a bit more rewarding than all the other subs, but I DID play other subjobs along the way until my thf was of high enough lvl to maximully benefit from the NIN abilities. (i switched between thf/mnk thf/war and thf/nin all the way up to 24 really wereas i went total nin from then on.)

Hope this helps, but DO indeed read other threads that might also shine some light on your situation. Can never go wrong with a 2nd opinion.

[Lyneun]

TANKS MAN!!!!

[Eaglestrike]

I don't know why you use H2H after you get sneak attack for a thf.

From what I have seen, sneak attack only works for your first hit, not both of them. When swinging H2H you have 2 hits that are less than using a normal sword (but you have 2 so dmg is equal or higher) So the multiplier for sneak attack is not that great.

In Qufim I was pting with a thf using H2H and I was completely owning her. Sneak Attack and combo would be between 60-80 dmg on clippers, whereas my sneak attack + fast blade combo would hit between 80-110 (and now that they're tough to me I consistently hit 100-130 and at super high tp I have hit for over 220)

H2H is cool and all, but it's not that great for a thf because it doesn't fit with sneak attack too well.

Oh yes, this was a Japanese thief, so it's not like I had superior equipment or skill, my combination just worked a lot better.

[Sinzer]

You don't know what the attack ratings are, they might have been skilling up.......

Fast Blade is also a 2 hit combo, TBH I noticed little difference between H2H and 1H Sword below 30, having both helps enormously for renkei.

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by Eaglestrike
In Qufim I was pting with a thf using H2H and I was completely owning her. Sneak Attack and combo would be between 60-80 dmg on clippers, whereas my sneak attack + fast blade combo would hit between 80-110 (and now that they're tough to me I consistently hit 100-130 and at super high tp I have hit for over 220)

That's cause clips are VERY resistant to H2H. Try against the worms or bestmen for a better comparison.

[ninvampire]

While I was leveling up THF/MNK in Qufim I never did any less than 120 damage with a normal sneak + h2h on clippers. Of course I was boosting a couple of times during the pull and was using mithkabobs.

Unless you have already gotten ninja, I whole hardily believe that /MNK is the best sub for thief up until 30. You don't need to use H2H either if you sub monk, boost works just as well with sneak+fast blade as it does with combo.

Only if you run into a bad pickup party with a lack of tanks or tanks that don't know how to keep the hate would having /WAR be all that beneficial.

The thief (levels 15-29) is all about big 1hit damage and if you can get a nice boost stack before the pull gets back, you'll do enough damage that the tanks will have a hard time pulling the monster off of you.

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by ninvampire
The thief (levels 15-29) is all about big 1hit damage and if you can get a nice boost stack before the pull gets back, you'll do enough damage that the tanks will have a hard time pulling the monster off of you.

and this is a good thing?

[redhotfanboy]

Ive been thinink since my 2nd thief is almost back up to 18 if there is any other chioce at all for a sub lvl 30 subjob. I was thinking that thf/rdm woulnd be that bad of a combo. Was a war with my last thf and it was ok excpet when you are the only voker in the party:mad:

[PhoR]

on my server, lvl 30-75, there are about 80% nin sub, 15% war sub, and 5% blm sub.

and there was also a lone thf/rng

when you get to higher lvls of thf, having dual weild adds soooo much of a stat/attack/accuracy boost, that it's preferred over war sub it seems.

blink and invis ninjitsu is also very handy to have.

the blm sub is used for soloing (never for parties, it would be worthless) but soloing, warp and sleep (so you can get off multiple sneak attacks on harder mobs) will really be a life saver.
I haven't seen thf/rdm at all, but i would think that at lvl 50thf/25rdm, it would be pretty decent for soloing. you'd get sneak, invis, and sleep from rdm sub, which might actually end up being more useful than blm sub for coffer hunting in areas where you can get aggro'd.

so all in all, I believe that nin sub is the best sub for thf in the long run (when partying). pre-30 lvls, war and mnk both have their advantages. the mage subs (rdm and blm) should only be used for soloing though.

that's my 4 cents.

[Holt]

THF/WAR

my current thf is at 54, i have both ninja and war to 26 (i know im one lvl short of max, how many subs do you have?) i can tell you that the added stats boost are minimal, maybe +/- 1 or 2, the max you can add weapon wise before lvl 60 is the AF dagger +2 Dex and Agi. Now for mu lvl party, im starting to like war and its double hit, also berserk is a great attack boost.

Now i know about dual wield and its bonuses, but it doubles the attack time, if the weapon double attacks it doesnt add delay, if you have haste and you double hit, the next his is almost right behind it (using Bone+1).

At dagger lvl 200 you get dancing edge a 5 hit ws, with double hit anyone of those 5 hits can hit again and with tripple hit, even those double hits have a chance of setting it off (according to my lvl63 friend).

Now im all up for letting people play what they want, this is just my opinion on the thf/??? subject as one who has played both...


EDIT: /MNK works great against bones, H2H owns them...try to keep that and sword lvl'd... while soloing a sword is better then a dagger ws wise, against IT/++ its dagger all the way

[sinfox]

Many high level thief seem to have both warrior and ninja subjob avaliable.. a friend once told me that the subjob decision is situational; warrior for most power and ninja for when more protection is required. ^^

berserk will raise attack value by 25%~circa.. i believe this is where the warrior subjob attacking power will come from, however it will also lower defence by 25% i think.. so maybe from an area affect attack you will take more damage..

is also warcry ability avaliable, which raises group attacking power...

ninja's abilities have been stated above.. i would reccomend also looking at weapon choices a little more, as at level of 51 lust dagger is avaliable +7 agi -1 all other statistics... i would count this as statistic boosting off hand weapon for ninja subjob

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[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Eaglestrike
In Qufim I was pting with a thf using H2H and I was completely owning her. Sneak Attack and combo would be between 60-80 dmg on clippers, whereas my sneak attack + fast blade combo would hit between 80-110 (and now that they're tough to me I consistently hit 100-130 and at super high tp I have hit for over 220)

In mid-20s at Qufim, I was consistently hitting for high 100s-low 200s on VT clippers.

If the other person was consistently doing SA+Combo for 60-80 damage, they were doing something really wrong.