Best Subjob and Race Discussion

[FenninRo]

What would all you say the best Subjob for a thief and race is? I'm guessing in the end it all comes down to what race people enjoy playing and same goes for subjob, but lets hear some peoples opinions.

[TokeN]

Mithra is best race hands down. Sub is hard tho... WAR or NIN

[Nameless]

I like NIN more, shield doesn't help much (and I can't say Berserk does either). NIN has Dualwield (makes THF twice as strong :p ), Ninjutsu, more AGI and DEX (this is possiby the best reason).

I can see /RNG being good for being a puller too.

I keep WAR and NIN up to date anyway...for versatility.

[The Heretic]

In my opinion.

Before lvl 30 (Aka. No Advnaced Job) Monk is the best Subjob, ive always seen warrior as sort of a pessemists choice (warrior fails), provoking is definatly NOT something a THF should even do for obvious reasons.

Monk Adds boost (not much, but its something) and Martial Arts which is great because Dagger < 33 is crapola. h2h is a good substitute for this.

NIN Is probably (but not indefinatly) the best Subjob with advanced jobs because 2 daggers is just too awesome.

Thats my 2 gil.

[Nameless]

I think pre-30 WAR is better. I prefer sword to Grapples anyway. And you get a defense boost and more AGI. IMO WAR beats MNK in every way. More STR too (I believe) and berserk at 30 as THF (/15 WAR).

I also like a Shield pre 30 (not that great afterwards) just to block an attack, very nice.

And provoke is worthless? Um, no, it is not. Say you get aggroed, provoke-flee for the group, as a /MNK you're not going to be of any help. (and yes this has happened to me many times).

I also like /WAR (pre-30) more for NM hunt. Today I went to look at the Lizzy spawn and right when I got there it spawned, but guess what, I was subbing NIN. I was 5 feet away and it got provoked :mad:

/WAR has many benefits.

[The Heretic]

Originally posted by Nameless
I think pre-30 WAR is better. I prefer sword to Grapples anyway. And you get a defense boost and more AGI. IMO WAR beats MNK in every way. More STR too (I believe) and berserk at 30 as THF (/15 WAR).

I also like a Shield pre 30 (not that great afterwards) just to block an attack, very nice.

And provoke is worthless? Um, no, it is not. Say you get aggroed, provoke-flee for the group, as a /MNK you're not going to be of any help. (and yes this has happened to me many times).

I also like /WAR (pre-30) more for NM hunt. Today I went to look at the Lizzy spawn and right when I got there it spawned, but guess what, I was subbing NIN. I was 5 feet away and it got provoked :mad:

/WAR has many benefits.

Having more agility isnt going to do anything before lvl 30 because pre lvl 30 its only good for dodging as such, and in an ideal PT you wont be aggro'd. Period.

Shield. Yay. (Sarcasm rating of 10)

Provoke isnt worthless, thats not what I said, what I did say is a THF should never ever use it. You are there for sneak attack, not to be engaging head to head with a monster. It could come in handy, but only if your in a flawful PT.

By lvl 30 im subbing NIN anyway, so Berserk doesnt get used.

Monk will give you higher damage output with boost stacking, hence making you better at YOUR job, not covering someone elses.

[Nameless]

If you've never gotten hate from a Sneak Attack you suck as a THF. (Ooh here's where the shiled comes in).

Boost chnages no Sneak Attack damage, and sneak atatck is YOUR job .

AGI is useless? Ok, getting hit more is good, you're right (sarcasm rating...sarcasm rating is stupid).

I like provoke for raising my evasion too, or taking it off the mage if this happens: Tank provokes - WHM does divine seal curaga because your team is hurting - OMGZOR TANK DOESN'T HAVE PROVOKE READY YET BUT YOU SHOULDN'T COVER HIS JOB, LET THE WHM DIE .



Also in terms of, if there wasn't the NIN job (you don't have the exspansion, can't get the job, too hard at your level, etc..), WAR would > MNK (very much I might add) past level 30.

[Sinzer]

Sneak attack = Base Damage * multiplier

Boost raises your attack rating, therefore raises your damage, therefore increases the base damage for the multiplier.

Pre-30 there is no real difference between MNK and WAR, it simply comes down do you want to use grapples? Yes - sub MNK.... No ... sub WAR.

There is little other differences between the two subs, as you get shield/provoke with WAR, but you get Boost/HP with MNK, both are nice bonuses.

Post 30 NIN is good, I am gonna try SAM though.

[The Heretic]

Originally posted by Nameless
If you've never gotten hate from a Sneak Attack you suck as a THF. (Ooh here's where the shiled comes in).

Boost chnages no Sneak Attack damage, and sneak atatck is YOUR job .

AGI is useless? Ok, getting hit more is good, you're right (sarcasm rating...sarcasm rating is stupid).

I like provoke for raising my evasion too, or taking it off the mage if this happens: Tank provokes - WHM does divine seal curaga because your team is hurting - OMGZOR TANK DOESN'T HAVE PROVOKE READY YET BUT YOU SHOULDN'T COVER HIS JOB, LET THE WHM DIE .



Also in terms of, if there wasn't the NIN job (you don't have the exspansion, can't get the job, too hard at your level, etc..), WAR would > MNK (very much I might add) past level 30.

If ive never gotten aggro as a THF, it means that A) Im timing it well or B) Warrior in my PT isnt a total moron. Never getting hit makes me a better thief, and if you you think a thf taking heaps of dmg is a good thing, you need your head checked.

"Boost Doesnt Raise SA Damage"
You are a bloody idiot. Seriously.

Yes, the 1 or 2 points of Agility that you might get from subbing warrior is useless untill you get TA. (unless of course, your big on ranged)

Your inability to understand why a THF wouldnt want Aggro is somewhat amusing, and if the whm is getting hit, so be it, he can die, its not my job to keep him alive, therefore ive done nothing wrong. I do my job, warrior does theirs, WHM does their job, we all live.

It is not my responsiblity to cover someone elses job. Period.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by The Heretic


If ive never gotten aggro as a THF, it means that A) Im timing it well or B) Warrior in my PT isnt a total moron. Never getting hit makes me a better thief, and if you you think a thf taking heaps of dmg is a good thing, you need your head checked.

"Boost Doesnt Raise SA Damage"
You are a bloody idiot. Seriously.

Yes, the 1 or 2 points of Agility that you might get from subbing warrior is useless untill you get TA. (unless of course, your big on ranged)

Your inability to understand why a THF wouldnt want Aggro is somewhat amusing, and if the whm is getting hit, so be it, he can die, its not my job to keep him alive, therefore ive done nothing wrong. I do my job, warrior does theirs, WHM does their job, we all live.

It is not my responsiblity to cover someone elses job. Period.

Update your equipment pal SA -> (combo, fastblade, wasp sting) will all put aggro to you when you have updated equip (Don't give me bullshit that the tank sucks, stop blaming your inability on other people.)

No, it doesn't raise the damage. DEX does, get your facts straight.

You're inability to understand THF can save the group makes me think you're a complete idiot, not chuckle. We have high evasion for a reason, to pull, to not take hits when we get aggro (but that's never happened to you ), and my last belief (and a belief in my LS) to save the group if you can (any job can do it, THF can do it well) provoke -> flee (and if needed Perfect Dodge).

And you're not as important as the WHM pal. When the WHM dies because you believe in "doing your job" and consequently, you die too. But oh wait the WHM wasn't doing their job so they had to die and you also died, but since the WHM is dead, who will raise you, OH NO!!

[The Heretic]

Originally posted by Nameless


Update your equipment pal SA -> (combo, fastblade, wasp sting) will all put aggro to you when you have updated equip (Don't give me bullshit that the tank sucks, stop blaming your inability on other people.)

No, it doesn't raise the damage. DEX does, get your facts straight.

You're inability to understand THF can save the group makes me think you're a complete idiot, not chuckle. We have high evasion for a reason, to pull, to not take hits when we get aggro (but that's never happened to you ), and my last belief (and a belief in my LS) to save the group if you can (any job can do it, THF can do it well) provoke -> flee (and if needed Perfect Dodge).

And you're not as important as the WHM pal. When the WHM dies because you believe in "doing your job" and consequently, you die too. But oh wait the WHM wasn't doing their job so they had to die and you also died, but since the WHM is dead, who will raise you, OH NO!!

My Equiptment is up to date (with the Exception of leaping boots ><), and yes, going a shitload of dmg with Sneak does get me aggro occasionally, luckily for me a warrior usually provokes afterwards.

"Attack doesnt alter the dmg" DMG is caluculated by Your Attack vs Monsters Def. This, using our brains, (Or by reading other topics in this forum) we can come to the conclusion that boost does indeed raise sneak attack dmg.

Provoke is useful for saving the group from time to time, nobody's arguing there. I just want to make a point that a THF shouldnt be provoking because it hinders his/her true purpose.

Who the hell says im not as important as the WHM, you? If the WHM is dying, ill do my best to save them, but if all it lost im hitting flee and getting the hell out of there (with or without the monster behind me) so no, I wont die because the WHM cant raise me, because I just zoned.

Im pretty sick and tired of this stupid thread now, so in conclusion, go whatever subjob you want, I dont really care. There is no "better" subjob, each one has its own use (within reason).