ATK=Higher "Sneak+Trick" Damage?

[SergeG]

I noticed I do more damage, when Sneak+Trick Attacking and used a Mithkabob.

When using a Mithkabob my ATK goes up from 175 to 221 or so.

Can anyone confirm that higher ATK does more damage? Or is it only when you combine it with a TP?

[John Doe III]

Higher ATK = does not equal better damage for sneak..-_-.. sneak is a critical attack = crits dont come from your atk.

[MCfuzz]

i am a 26 thief right now, i leveld monk up to 8 so i use that as my sub before i get ranger and give up on my thief. i use boost in between battles and i do notice a difference if i boost 5 or 6 times before i sneak attack. in the jungle outside of kazham my sneaks will do damage as low as 60's against some really hard goblins but most of the time it is from 80-100. after a few boosts i usually sneak attack for over 120 ive hit for 150 after full boosting. so it seems to me that atk does affect sneak. but i dont really know so take this however you want.

[sinfox]

yes^^

i believe that attack does increase your sneak attack damage... party with bard for long time, then party without bard against same monsters - i have noticed much more sustained fuidama damage when partied with a bard increasing attack by extra 30 - 50 points

sneak/trick may be multiplied through dex/agi.. but it requires base damage to be multiplied from.. that is where att helps i believe..

in my opinion at least

sin

[KillerQueen]

high attack is for normal attack only

when you eat mith meatkabob it will +2 agi too that's why your fuidama has higher damage

[sinfox]

i do not wish to start arguement, however..

if attack is not affecting fuidama, why does thief/warrior in berserk/warcry (which is attack altering) have more powerful fuidama hit than thief/ninja?..

only thing altered by berserk is attack.. i believe...

if attack does not alter fuidama.. then warrior is useless subjob for thief... however this is not true.. i believe to be correct on subject

.. to my mind..

sin

[_11of8]

1. Dex does affect your sneak attack damage.

2. Agi does affect your trick attack damage.

3. Base Att is used to calculate the damage used in both sneak and trick attack.

Which is most important? I really can't say because I have not played around with it, but keeping dex and agi a constant, increasing your attack strength will increase the damage done in an attack that uses sneak or trick, or both because it uses that in determining the damage.

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by sinfox
i do not wish to start arguement, however..

if attack is not affecting fuidama, why does thief/warrior in berserk/warcry (which is attack altering) have more powerful fuidama hit than thief/ninja?..

only thing altered by berserk is attack.. i believe...

if attack does not alter fuidama.. then warrior is useless subjob for thief... however this is not true.. i believe to be correct on subject

.. to my mind..

sin

Ninja sub is kind of worthless depending on your equipment . I take back what I said earlier, atk does help alittle but THF's do not need to or should need to accel in ATK stat.

[sinfox]

ninja subjob used as example of other combination, as it is popular ^^... could have placed other combination in there

i also believe that there must be equilibrium between attack / dex / agi for most powerful output of damage (equipment avaliability pending of course) .. however.. i am not clever enough to even guess at it

hope that makes sense^^

sin

[Anya]

From what I have seen:

weapon damage + atk = base for critical hit
dex = damage multiplier for sneak

higher weapon damage, and higher atk will yield a higher hit, even when dex is the same.

This is *easy* to see. If you fuidama with dagger, then switch to say, a club with same dmg rating but poor skill (poor atk), your fuidama damage will be lower.

I always thought this was very apparent, I guess it is not?

[Alyandah]

I always use berserk before I WS because it does more damage... ><

[Sly]

i've noticed more damage when I berserk on my sneak+trick. Maybe it is the trick increasing in damage rather than the sneak?

[John Doe III]

If you have ever done trick without sneak you will notice that the damage from your regular atk is higher. (30 = 90 trick). So, in my opinion I believe atk and some agi is going to trick and dex is all sneak.

[Vesarius]

Attack does in fact influence sneak/trick attack contrary to what's been said in this thread. And it makes quite a large difference on the damage as well..

It's easily testable at higher levels with bard songs if you'd like to see for yourself anyways..

While i don't think concentrating on attack over agil or dex is the right way to go, completely ignoring it as useless isn't either.

Attack has a very noticeable effect on fuidama, and regular attacks alike.

[KillerQueen]

Attack is affect normal attack only.At first i thought i'll affect Fuidama too,but i know when I solo...i use Sneak Attack and with or without Berserk the damage is the same range