Sneak/trick attack question

[Izael]

Ive seen certain strategies such as yokodama and I think I understand how they work but i dont really understand why their needed heh...

Keep in mind I havent even played the game yet but im still curious.

Does trick attack need to be to be chained off of sneak attack or would it be possible to just run behind the monster,sneak attack,then run back behind the tank and trick attack...?

[Izael]

Cmon,someone knows :p

[Wafflesrevenge]

gamefaqs...

um its complicated for me to say I remotley understand it would be a lie...I read the theif guide and was still confused...you can give it a go! theif faq guide

[David_h125]

Yokodama from what I understand explain the Sequence of moves a thief do with their special abilities (sneak attack/deceive attack).

So yes, you can sneak attack a mob from behind, strife behind a tank and do deceive attack. OR if a tank is already behind a mob, you combine both abilities and maybe a weapon skill to do extra damage.

[Izael]

Ok,thats good to know....but i still dont understand why yokodama is used

[David_h125]

Word: Yokodama

Definition: Explains how a thief move behind a monster, use sneak attack, hit the monster. Then move behind a tank, use trick attack, hit the monster. [Can combine both moves together and/or intergrate approprieate weapon skill].

Yokodama is a sequence of actions, not just 1 action. Yokodama.

[Izael]

I understand what it is,but from the diagrams ive seen it looks like the theif stays on the side of the monsters and the tank for some reason....I guess its prolly the diagram I dont get.

Thanks tho.

[kanomjeeb]

Well, thf's job is not only dealing out the damage but also put all the hate you can on the PLD.

sneak and trick attack has the same reuse time which is 1minute so why dont you just stack all of those together?

lets say you do 80damage from sneak, and 50 damage from trick.

If you do it separately, you will put only the hate of 50damage from trick on the tank.

but if you stack em, you will put hate from 50+80 = 130 damage on the tank.

which is better?

and actually, trick attack multiplies base damage.

lets say your normal hit = 30.

if you don't stack those abilities, you might get about 100 dmg from sneak, and maybe like 80 from trick because trick attack uses base damage which is 30.

but if you stack those things, your base damage = 30 and you get 100 from sneak attack, if you stack with trick attack, it will multiply damage FROM sneak attack which is 100.

Therefore, your damage from trick attack maybe around 300.

this is a normal hit. what if you are doing your WS? dancing edges?

its 5 hits WS, your damage from sneak+trick will go a lot futher than you do it separately which means your damage output result and hate thrown on the tank.

dont know if i have answered your question.

EDITED: The reason why you need to do yokodama is. If there are thf, pld, war in the PT, if you dont do yokodama on PLD, are you gonna do it on war and let him tank? I wouldn't want that.

The PLD is there to tank. That means the monster should face to him most of the time. If you don't do yokodama, there is no way you can put the hate on PLD cuz you need to be not in front of the monster and behind someone.

A lot of good figther combos can happen because of yokodama such as PLD+THF+RNG, PLD+THF+DRK .. are you gonna put hate on the drk if you dont do yokodama on PLD? ^^'' good luck.

[Cri]

Gj explaining it. Guys its all about the hate placement. If you put more hate on the paladin there will be less chance of him hitting your mages, rangers, or dark knights. It is essential for a party. Combine sneak/trick/ws will do alot of damage too. It is one of the most important attack at high lvls. Dont insult it..if u do ill kill you :\:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :sweat:

[Izael]

ok,I have a better understanding now.

I also have been wondering if theifs are very sought after in groups past level 60,where the classes using THF as a subjob get the sneak attack/deceive combo and can in this way replace them (or not?)?

[kanomjeeb]

If a lv 60+ subs thf, he won't get the damage multiplier from trick attack, it will help only hate transfering.

so, only main thf can get the damage multiplier from trick attack.

from what I have seen, only drk can use sub thf after lv60 effectively due to their already high damage output.

Other figther jobs, i think subbing sam after lv60 is a lot better ^^.

[Evilhuman]

im alittle confused.. so what your saying is...

if the paladin is holding aggro, all the dmg the other tanks do add up to the hate against paladin? :confused:

[Sturum]

Originally posted by kanomjeeb

EDITED: The reason why you need to do yokodama is. If there are thf, pld, war in the PT, if you dont do yokodama on PLD, are you gonna do it on war and let him tank? I wouldn't want that.

The PLD is there to tank. That means the monster should face to him most of the time. If you don't do yokodama, there is no way you can put the hate on PLD cuz you need to be not in front of the monster and behind someone.

Does only trick attack place hate? Or does sneak attack place hate as well? I hit lvl 15 last night, and was messing around with it, and i knew at the time that one of the thiefs primary uses was to place hate on the tank - but i wasnt sure if i was doing it properly. So far, i like sneak a lot ^_^

Thanks in advance for any answers!

[Deodorant]

Only trick attack transfers hate. If you notice, when you sneak attack a monster it will almost always immediately turn around to hit you if it isn't provoked by a warrior.

[Dnarris]

Yokodama

So...let me get this straight. To do Yokodama at thief must move behind the designated tank and perform sneak attack and decieve attack. I understand that decieve attack will transfer hate to the person you are behind, but does sneak attack add to that hate? I was also under the impression that sneak attack could be preformed from any direction (not just behind the enemy) as long as you were not being targetted by the enemy. Is everything I am saying correct? or am I under a misconception?