THF races

[Narru]

One thing to consider with all the Elvaans saying their RSE makes up for all the lost Dex - I was level 48ish and asked a higher level Elvaan THF in my LS what his base Dex was. I believe he was level 67ish at the time. He had 1 more base Dex than I did :sweat:

[Spider-Dan]

This thread is 10 months old! Die now.

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by Narru
One thing to consider with all the Elvaans saying their RSE makes up for all the lost Dex - I was level 48ish and asked a higher level Elvaan THF in my LS what his base Dex was. I believe he was level 67ish at the time. He had 1 more base Dex than I did :sweat:

You're right, I don't think it quite makes up for it. Elvaan RSE does help, but some of it doesn't even cut it(I am only going to use the gloves and leggings). However, with all my equips I do think that I probably have more DEX than the average mithra who doesn't want to buy all the low level rare equips and stuff. Plus, while some Humes/Mithras/Taru might save some spots for +ATK or +STR gear, I can just totally max out on +DEX or +AGI gear. I like to max out all my gear at each level too, so that's probably my only saving grace as an Elvaan THF.

[Epsilon]

Originally posted by Spider-Dan
This thread is 10 months old! Die now.

But then if someone had a question, they'd have to make a new thread and get yelled at for not searching.

[DrSerpico]

Hmmmm

I'll agree with that. Male Hume Lvl 48 thf/20 nin with 70 dex

This is about the only thing that irks me in the character debate. Pimping out your char and raising dex, but neglecting your sub and loosing valuable stat points there... -_-;

Also, for thf main, AGI affects your trick dmg. Didn't see it mentioned anywhere, so. Well, GL.

[Unholy Prince]

have a few questions. I'm a black mage who decided to lvl my mule as a thf. Mithran btw, so wondering a few things.

If dex increases your chance of critcial, then what is the trait associated with accuracy? I know rngs need AGI for their attacks, so is Acc depenent on agi?

Since i'm a mithran should i go with /war for the extra damage since my dex and agi is so high or keep with /nin?

and when i hit lvl 14 should i go with balance rings or sardyonx rings for str or dex?

thx guys.

[CJack14dt]

Ok I just hit LV 45 and am an elvaan THF/MNK (don't flame for sub MNK cause at lv 65 there is only a +4 agl diff than /Nin). Anyway, elvaan thf's aren't bad at all if you take the time to pimp them out with DEX and AGL boosters. My agl is +20 and my DEX is +22. Also i am gonna level my NIN, not for the agl boost but just because i'm gonna get two corsair knives and continue to use my sword belt cause I was told your regular damage isn't half bad with that set up and it will only cause a loss of -2 for both DEX and AGL. but anyway i have a great time and NEVER have problems finding a party

[FenFen]

Honestly... any race can excel at any job, it just takes a bit more effort with certain combos. Yes, a Galka whm can be great (have experienced it) Yes, an elvaan can be an awesome BLM (Best BLM i've ever played with is an Elvaan) yes, a Taru can kick ass as a DRK (Have seen a Taru do immense damage with Spinning Slash). If you know how to play your job, a few stat points dont really matter. If you're a crappy player, your base stats, all the best gear and +whatever stats wont make the slightest bit of difference.

While certain races seem more suited to certain jobs, its foolish to say that (Insert race) sucks at (insert job), because it just is not true. As I've stated, I've grouped with all kinds of different "unorthadox" race/job combos at the high end, and honestly, it all boils down to the player behind the character, not their base stats. In the case of the Elvaan thf, its true that their WS will do less than a mithra, their normal fuidama will do less than a mithra, but both races will accomplish the same thing: putting a crap-load of hate on the tank, making the pt run smoother, allowing the BLM to unload a little bit more, resulting in faster kills, better exp. In my opinion thats more important than a bit of extra damage.

*edit: noticed no one had posted in this thread in like a week, but i dont care, had to speak my mind!

[Dragonhope]

I'd like to add a bit from where Fenfen left off. I believe CHR effects how much hate from all that damage will be transferred to the tank (there's got to be a reason why our AFR has all those +CHR to it). Elvaans have higher CHR AND STR. And considering that from level 30 onward, you'll mostly be fighting Beetles and Crabs (both of whom have high physical defense), you might be doing a lot of 0 damage as a Mithra or Taru THF.

As an Elvaan THF myself, i've been doing 5-10 damage on Kuftal Crabs (level 52-55 level range) on normal attacks and 400-500 (highest was 502 I think...or 514..dont' remember) on SA/TA/VB. Of course, since there was no Distortion chain here, I chose to use SA/TA/Shadowstitch for a Fragmentation chain instead (250-400 damage on SS + 50-250 damage on effect) to allow the mages to burst Thunder II. With a PT of PLD, WAR, THF, RDM, BLM and WHM, our PT had absolutely NO downtime until my connection started getting fuzzy. The impatient WHM left and we replaced him with a DRK and we were still killing them at a fast rate enough to get chain 4s and 5s at level 52-53ish.

Also, it's been debated that STR raises the damage cap you can reach with SA/TA/VB and later when you use SA/TA/SB (Sharkbite for those who don't know). Unlike Dancing Edge (which relies on accuracy hence a Mithra would be better), the Sharkbite relies on DEX, AGI, STR and ATT for it's damage. And when skillchaining with it, anyone with proper to good gear will be doing heavy damage when using SA/TA/SB. So really...it all boils down to how good the person knows about playing the job. Heck, one of the best Thieves (excluding me:p) is an Elvaan Thief. Of course after level 55, THF/WAR seems to work better...

[Omena]

Originally posted by Dragonhope
I'd like to add a bit from where Fenfen left off. I believe CHR effects how much hate from all that damage will be transferred to the tank (there's got to be a reason why our AFR has all those +CHR to it). Elvaans have higher CHR AND STR. And considering that from level 30 onward, you'll mostly be fighting Beetles and Crabs (both of whom have high physical defense), you might be doing a lot of 0 damage as a Mithra or Taru THF.

I believe that is BS. Squenix has confirmed that no stat has any effect on enmity. AF is known to have stupid stats in them. People thought INT improves stealing only because the THF AF hat has +5 INT in it. Sqenix then said Steal is not affected by stats.

However, Dancing Edge is 50% DEX and 50% CHR based, so CHR might not be completely useless for THF.

Also, it's been debated that STR raises the damage cap you can reach with SA/TA/VB and later when you use SA/TA/SB (Sharkbite for those who don't know). Unlike Dancing Edge (which relies on accuracy hence a Mithra would be better), the Sharkbite relies on DEX, AGI, STR and ATT for it's damage. And when skillchaining with it, anyone with proper to good gear will be doing heavy damage when using SA/TA/SB. So really...it all boils down to how good the person knows about playing the job. Heck, one of the best Thieves (excluding me:p) is an Elvaan Thief. Of course after level 55, THF/WAR seems to work better...

Actually str raises damage curve on all attacks, but I'd say dex/agi play a much higher role in fuidama. I remember reaching my SA cap on tigers in Batallia very often. Then I bought my hairpin and I could suddenly do like 40 more damage.

Actually, Sharkbite is a DEX based WS and no other stat has a direct effect on the WS damage itself. They do, hovever, improve the fuidama damage that is stacked on the WS damage and the STR adds some ATK points, which also helps with WS.

[guyincorporated]

Originally posted by Omena
I believe that is BS. Squenix has confirmed that no stat has any effect on enmity. AF is known to have stupid stats in them. People thought INT improves stealing only because the THF AF hat has +5 INT in it. Sqenix then said Steal is not affected by stats.

*nods*. I'm in total agreement with Omena. Nice to see another player that doesn't jump to conclusions. Someone with a level head that doesn't immediately assume that since our hat gives int, int affects steal. Someone that would never believe and propogate a theory so tenuous and arbirtrary as a skill called "DANCING Edge" being affected by Charisma.

Originally posted by Omena
However, Dancing Edge is 50% DEX and 50% CHR based, so CHR might not be completely useless for THF.

Oh. I guess I'll shut up now.

...Seriously, do you have ANY proof whatsoever? What about vaguely logical-sounding theories? Hell, I don't even need theories, I'd like wild speculation, so at least when I'm telling my friends about this, I can TRY to explain to them why someone would think that one's physical appearance would somehow dictate how well She stabs something five times in the back.

[Dragonhope]

Originally posted by guyincorporated
*nods*. I'm in total agreement with Omena. Nice to see another player that doesn't jump to conclusions. Someone with a level head that doesn't immediately assume that since our hat gives int, int affects steal. Someone that would never believe and propogate a theory so tenuous and arbirtrary as a skill called "DANCING Edge" being affected by Charisma.



Oh. I guess I'll shut up now.

...Seriously, do you have ANY proof whatsoever? What about vaguely logical-sounding theories? Hell, I don't even need theories, I'd like wild speculation, so at least when I'm telling my friends about this, I can TRY to explain to them why someone would think that one's physical appearance would somehow dictate how well She stabs something five times in the back.

Actually I don't think INT helps with steal chances. But I think INT can help with success rate of opening a coffer/chest safely when picking the lock. Also about the CHR thing, has it actually been tested and so forth? I don't mean to ask it as a challenge or anything as I only have things like theories and observations to go on but I would like some proof if you have any. Mainly because I can't test these theories I have by myself and am too low a level to do so, maybe you can tell me how things work.

Actually str raises damage curve on all attacks, but I'd say dex/agi play a much higher role in fuidama. I remember reaching my SA cap on tigers in Batallia very often. Then I bought my hairpin and I could suddenly do like 40 more damage.

Battalia Tigers are rather weak and even I can reach the damage cap on them. I know that DEX/AGI play a role in fuidama but so does STR. I know this because I was in a party with 2 Thieves (1 Elvaan and 1 Mithra so complete opposites). The Elvaan THF had better gear but it added up to only 1 more DEX then the Mithra. But this Elvaan THF was doing anywhere from 30-60 damage more per Sneak Attack (only relies on dex for damage cap) then the Mithran THF. This is what lead me to believe that STR plays a big role in Fuidama as well.

[ibroyles]

Square has stated that CHR affects some weapon skills in an interview, I will try to find the link.

EDIT: http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews/...iew.asp?Id=272

Does charisma affect hate/enmity(aggro)? Or is it only for Bard songs and Beastmaster charms?

The charisma attribute score does not affect hate or enmity(aggro). It does, however, affect how a bard's song and a beastmaster's charm ability are not only used but also resisted. There are also weapon skills that are greatly affected by charisma.

[guyincorporated]

Interesting...now how do we know dancing edge is one of those?

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by guyincorporated
Interesting...now how do we know dancing edge is one of those?

I don't know, that's the trick.