Blood Pact Theory, Part1

[Sheana]

I was playing w/ another smn in our pt last night in qufim (22-24 party) killing pugils along the cliff. Typically my static sam and I would do a fragmentation SC every other fight (Tachi: Hobaku -> Rock Buster), and i would use thunderspark during the other fights. My thunderpsark (lvl 23, 50 summoning skill) was hitting for 122 dmg almost every time (1/7 resisted on average). The taru summoner (lvl 22, 52 summoning skill) would get resisted and do about 55-60 dmg 3/4 thundersparks.

Based on our experience last night, i'm working on a theory about summoner BP damage. We all know that each element is associated with a stat. Therefore, i propose that BP damage is based on the stat for that avatar. EX. My high dex made my Ramuh a lot more effective than his, while his shiva blew mine away. I will contiue to test this as i lvl up, would also like some contructive input from other smn's .

If somebody could post a stat calculator for me, that would be awesome too.

[LadyPeorth]

From a level 52 SMN...my Ramuh is doing on average with his Thunder Spark in Kuftal Tunnel on Robber crabs, around 270ish damage.

Meanwhile, my Ifrit continues to do pathetic damage with his attacks.

[Tyrien]

ifrit does highest for me as an elvaan.
Currently at lv25:
150+ on mbs, 95+ reg bp, 12+ per hit
Shiva:
120+ on mbs, 60+ reg bp, 10+ per hit

titan and leviathan also hit hard, but ramuh and garuda are kinda weak.

[Kiyone]

Re: Blood Pact Theory, Part1

Originally posted by Sheana
I was playing w/ another smn in our pt last night in qufim (22-24 party) killing pugils along the cliff. Typically my static sam and I would do a fragmentation SC every other fight (Tachi: Hobaku -> Rock Buster), and i would use thunderspark during the other fights. My thunderpsark (lvl 23, 50 summoning skill) was hitting for 122 dmg almost every time (1/7 resisted on average). The taru summoner (lvl 22, 52 summoning skill) would get resisted and do about 55-60 dmg 3/4 thundersparks.

Based on our experience last night, i'm working on a theory about summoner BP damage. We all know that each element is associated with a stat. Therefore, i propose that BP damage is based on the stat for that avatar. EX. My high dex made my Ramuh a lot more effective than his, while his shiva blew mine away. I will contiue to test this as i lvl up, would also like some contructive input from other smn's .

If somebody could post a stat calculator for me, that would be awesome too.

Level is the most important part to summoner strength in damage and resistance. Everything else is a modifier of the base level accuracy and strength, to my experience.


The other thing is that it is in Qufim, one of the few regions where level changes everything. You could be doing 200s on crabs at 21, and then at 22, doing 50 per, or silly things like that. The level range is a huge factor in Qufim.

[RuneGrey]

Given how SE likes to make a lot of correlations to the different elements and different factors on each character, this actually isn't that bad of a theory - but would that mean, for instance, that Carbuncle would be linked to CHR?

This is actually pretty easy to test - if a high level Summoner cares to go out with their summons and fight some mobs, with several different sets of gear to boost stats. I would be interested in seeing the results of more testing on this matter.

Heck, another easy way to test is bring a high level Bard along and double stack Etudes on the Summoner before using the different Blood Pacts and see if there is a difference in damage. The +14 or so to each stat should produce a marked enough difference if there is a correlation to prove it, or disprove it.

[Kiyone]

Originally posted by RuneGrey
Given how SE likes to make a lot of correlations to the different elements and different factors on each character, this actually isn't that bad of a theory - but would that mean, for instance, that Carbuncle would be linked to CHR?

This is actually pretty easy to test - if a high level Summoner cares to go out with their summons and fight some mobs, with several different sets of gear to boost stats. I would be interested in seeing the results of more testing on this matter.

Heck, another easy way to test is bring a high level Bard along and double stack Etudes on the Summoner before using the different Blood Pacts and see if there is a difference in damage. The +14 or so to each stat should produce a marked enough difference if there is a correlation to prove it, or disprove it.

I haven't done a sort of test involving this sort of complexity, but from basic bloodpact usage, for me, the level 70 skills, a link between a stat and the avatar doesn't seem to be there.

It's hard to tell for sure, since a lot of everything has its strength and weaknesses to certain attack types. Given Spartoi Sorcerors, Titan's Mountain Buster, with my 57+9 vit (staff and others) does 850-1200 in a series of blood pacts, averaging around 1000. Leviathan, with my 72+10 mnd (staff and others) only does 600-1000, averaging 800.

Now given, skeletons are weak to blunt attacks, such as Titan's Mountain Buster, but the bonus is not huge, and I suspect it's only about 200 more damage, making Titan's average close to Leviathan's. In addition, using an avatar like Ifrit, (57+4 str) I can still produce roughly 700-1100, again, averaging around the same.

In my experience, only Shiva will consistantly deal less damage than the other 5 avatars peaking usually around 950-1000 but with a low around 600-700 (Fenrir and Carbuncle are discluded on the basis that they don't have level 70 attacks). However, my int is higher than any other stat save mnd and chr.


The stat correlation theory might work for magic-based blood pacts, I've never tried testing that before, but it doesn't seem to affect physical attack blood pacts, in my experience, anyways.

[LadyPeorth]

Level 53 SMN, Thunderspark doing steady 280ish on Crawlers in CN.

Ifrit did upward of 200 damage with Burning Strike though.

I dunno...might've just been a strange quark. Blood pacts are tough to manage. You hafta include resists, possible misses, and such...all of which you can't physically see

[Sheana]

I was using ifrit's burning strike in Yhutunga last the only full Burning strike i acutally got off (1/10) was like 105 dmg, compared to Ramuh's 127. The hume smn who was also in the party had her ramuh doing about 115, but her summoning skill was 65 compared to my 52. Also:

ifrit does highest for me as an elvaan.
Currently at lv25:
150+ on mbs, 95+ reg bp, 12+ per hit
Shiva:
120+ on mbs, 60+ reg bp, 10+ per hit

titan and leviathan also hit hard, but ramuh and garuda are kinda weak.

This is great tyrien, since fire (ifrit) coorelates w/ str, i would expect ifrit to be the best for an elvaan. Like i said i will continue testing and gathering data until i can say something for sure. I really like the bard idea for testing. I know a drk who is brd main, might ask her to help me. Can't really cover the High-lvl, but i might be able to find a smn willing to help, for the sake of science.