Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

[MrMageo]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

The skill for recipients doesnt matter anymore its entirely based of the caster skill. (As of March 10/08 update.) Taking that into consideration SCH can make their Enspells as strong as a RDM even @ lvl 75.

Also to BBQ your abilities shouldnt have been going back and forth that much, Light Arts only save for the occasional nuke which take a few seconds to go then right back to light arts. Dark arts offers you nothing of use otherwise in this situation. (Unless you were enfeebling)

[Vyuru]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I have to question if Mageo has any experience in that sort of party.

Considering that that happens to be fairly similar to my favorite party setup, I do.

Frankly alot hinges on the Whm in those parties, and the tank to a certain extent. I've never partied with a Pld who didn't use their magic before, so that's a new one to me. I'm not going to fault a Sch who stays more on the defensive due to a poor overcuring Whm. Juggling mp so that you and the Whm are not both out of mp at the same time takes precedence over giving luxury buffs.

And in general, unless the Sam had a Soboro, and party members were Hasted and all that, I'd say that Enfire would be worthless.

And to be honest I'm surprised you went out of Light Arts mode, I'd be scared of getting hit by Amnesia at a bad time.

Madrigal is useful in times that party accuracy is low. If in a meripo and one person seems to be taking all the damage it usually means the other melee are not keeping up and could use a jolt of accuracy.

I don't care if they are bards, I will kick them if they give us even one +Acc song. I damn well expect the melee to have the accuracy covered on their end by the time of merit parties. If they don't, then they are gimp, simple as that. Any one hander will be eating sushi and wearing some +acc gear. Any two hander will not need any form of +acc food or songs due to the two handed updates, gear, and abilities. Drg from +acc traits, Drk through absorbs, and Sam through Hasso. Any two hander can sub Sam for additional accuracy.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I have to question if Mageo has any experience in that sort of party.

Considering that that happens to be fairly similar to my favorite party setup, I do.

Frankly alot hinges on the Whm in those parties, and the tank to a certain extent. I've never partied with a Pld who didn't use their magic before, so that's a new one to me. I'm not going to fault a Sch who stays more on the defensive due to a poor overcuring Whm. Juggling mp so that you and the Whm are not both out of mp at the same time takes precedence over giving luxury buffs.

And in general, unless the Sam had a Soboro, and party members were Hasted and all that, I'd say that Enfire would be worthless.

And to be honest I'm surprised you went out of Light Arts mode, I'd be scared of getting hit by Amnesia at a bad time.

I really had to horde MP because of the WHM being cure-happy. My attitude as always been "I'm here to keep you alive, not healthy. Healthy is your problem." I don't top off your HP every chance I get. WHM never had enough MP to spare on Haste because he was impulsive about cures.

As for amnesia, RNG and COR taught me to keep my distance. COR especially since every buff is a JA. I know where the line is and I try to avoid crossing it with imps. Thankfully, imps will be a thing of the past soon.

I don't care if they are bards, I will kick them if they give us even one +Acc song. I damn well expect the melee to have the accuracy covered on their end by the time of merit parties. If they don't, then they are gimp, simple as that. Any one hander will be eating sushi and wearing some +acc gear. Any two hander will not need any form of +acc food or songs due to the two handed updates, gear, and abilities. Drg from +acc traits, Drk through absorbs, and Sam through Hasso. Any two hander can sub Sam for additional accuracy.

I think your perspective and mine have a reason beyond that logic.

We are/were DRGs.

When I levelled DRG in the RoZ/CoP days, we were completely rejected from PTs if we didn't have things like Sniper Rings, Life belt, Valkyrie's Mask and this was before Sushi was added - that came about the middle of CoP. Some people just don't know how very elitist parties were back then.

So color me really unsympathetic to the people who can't land anything as a melee. I had to bust my balls to get a PT back as a DRG once and the DEX x2 ring, full AF, purple-pride DRGs were just as much of a disease back then as they are now.

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Anyway, on to my next PT.

This was a good PT.

Setup was PLD, THF, PUP, BLM, SMN, SCH versus MJSP Puks.

Only people the whole PT to toss out a cures were the PLD and I. Main healed just fine even after Sanction Refresh wore. Never got below 200 MP whole time and chains were steady. I kept up a mix of Regen II, SS and Phalanx up most of the time.

But this PT had a different superstion, they told me not to Enspell, since it "gave the mob TP." LOL.

Maybe I just detest working with "the specialist" on healing. I seem to work OK with RDMs, but whenever I'm setup and asked to do the same thing a WHM is doing, I somewhat resent that because I can do that just as good, if not better than most WHMs do it. If I'm with a WHM, I prefer to go into BLM mode rather than play healer.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I think I better find a new forum to read, really, this one is full of ignortant people. :/

[Murphie]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

Hey!

[Kittyneko]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I think I better find a new forum to read, really, this one is full of ignortant people. :/

I'm sorry you feel this way, Shrayn_lolsam. We're not forcing you to stay on this forum. However, I've personally felt that this the forum has the most mature and best moderated(not creditting myself) content, ever since I've joined here. When people do not agree with your opinion, you can discuss about it or not. Either way, there will always be people who might be against your opinion if you share it in a public situation.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

People here are mature, some times. If you think maturity = debate without insults, your wrong. You guys need to stop bickering and learn to accept peoples opinion instead of calling eachother idiots, or ranting about how much their opinion sucks. This is FAR from the most mature forum iv seen, but it was always relaxed. Now all I see is people trying to come up with funny/sarcastic ways to get a "Thanks", which is done very rudely most of the time. I'm not saying everyone on here is an immature attention seeker, but theres a few that needs to grow up. Best of luck everyone /wave

[Murphie]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

You've only been here a few months. I think it's a bit early to complain about how things "always" were.

But we totally have people who are immature attention seekers.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

Iv been here for at least a year just reading posts, I became a member when I finally decided to post something.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I've actually decided as of today that those guys that actually went on the ignore list?

Yeah, I'm just gonna really ignore them.

Please don't feed the Mageo and the Feba.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

You Are one of thoughs attention seekers, BBQ

[Murphie]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

ITT Shrayn_lolsam tells us what s/he thinks!

[WovenDarkness]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

If I pulled up stakes, I'd be forced to move to......?

[Saren]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

Maybe I just detest working with "the specialist" on healing. I seem to work OK with RDMs, but whenever I'm setup and asked to do the same thing a WHM is doing, I somewhat resent that because I can do that just as good, if not better than most WHMs do it. If I'm with a WHM, I prefer to go into BLM mode rather than play healer.

Don't make it about whm the job.

You had a bad whm. I hate those panic 200HP cure 5 they won't listen if you tell them they are doing a bad job because "I'm keeping people at full health!" and their running out of mp is always someone elses fault or "zomg you can't do above chain 4, I need to rest mp". Whm and sch can work very well together if you have decent people behind both jobs.

I mean I get the feeling, I resent having a rdm in an exp party most of the time because most of the rdms I've partied with in pickup groups have been ruddy awful or decide to be lazy because I'm there. For example, I had a merit party at Mamool Ja staging point with a rdm where I was doing the link handling and sleeping the pets because the rdm just didn't seem to see the need. I've had the odd good one though (one who knows their job, talks to you and watches what's going on) and when you do get a good one and you are against the right mobs, rdm and whm together can be wonderful.

[MrMageo]

Re: Apparently my problem was being a SCH...

I have to question if Mageo has any experience in that sort of party.

Acctually I leveled through their breifly for about 2 levels before I went and campaigned. Our static set up was PLD/WAR, THF/NIN, WHM/SMN, SAM/THF, WAR/SAM, RDM/WHM. We never had a problem once while we were there. We had hate control out the ass, curing, and support with plenty of damage to go around.


To BBQ:

Before you head into your little baby carriage because I question your ability today I have a couple last questions I would like straight answers on.

If you were trying to conserve MP, why were you nuking?

- 4 melee 1 DW 1 H2H equalling a total of 6 attacks per cycle minimum as I showed on the last page even with a 20% resist rate will do more than you can with 4 nukes. Basically you just wasted 400-500 MP to match damage a 26 MP spell could do for your group.

If the WHM was curring so much, what exactly were you curring?

- Ill concede that the WHM probably burned MP pretty quick but still for about 600 MP you arent needed to cure, and if you are your probably killing the WHM's regens.

If you want to save MP why not use stoneskin and phalanx. At this level you SS will absorb nearly 300 damage or about 3 attacks per person (or 1 Cure 3 and a little bit extra). Phalanx would absorb about 18-20 damage per person per attack, causing SS to last possibly 4 hits. Making you save mp for a cure 4.


TBH if you weigh your options SS/Phalanx/Enspells are the way to go in terms of efficiency with MP. If that was truly a party issue then you failed at it and deserved to be booted.

Is your PLD to blame not overly, If the WHM was curring as much as you claim and you were curing as much as you claim then I imagine most people were being over cured at a big MP expense.

It sounds like you had a entire backline breakdown, and you seemed to want to flex you muscle as a SCH instead of supporting your own party like you should have.



It is funny isnt it BBQ, I make a post of how I am able to main heal a meripo as RDM/DNC, and I must suck because you assume I don't do my job. Yet I've never been booted because of it and have yet to cause a major downfall to EXP. Here you are basically telling us all you failed in your duties as a support job, I ask you a few questions and you tuck tail and run.

You wanted attention and I gave you some, so back up your story a little better with some real details of how you didnt hurt your party. As far as I can tell it appears you were the main cause of your own problems.

Does it hurt BBQ when the shoe is on the other foot? How many times have you put someone on their heels because of something they didnt like and chalked it up to being their fault. You have got to be the biggest hypocrit on these forums. So get back to me BBQ tell me why it was better to spend 400-500 MP on 4-5 nukes, that would have been damaged on par by enspell for 26. Tell me why spending 400-500 on nukes saved more MP then casting SS and Phalanx would have. I wan't some real answers too. None of the, well the whm was over curing, or my nukes hit for 600, because either way as a support job its your duty to fix those problems, you have the tools.

Basically it was a nice epic fail, learn your lesson move on and play a support role.

(Probably why you quit RDM, and probably why you'll give up on sch.)


Shrayn I am sorry for being rude like this, but frankley im tired of BBQ pretending BBQ is perfect. So I appologize if I made you uncomfortable on the forums, please forgive me.