Opinion needed

[PedaTeda]

ok i got SAM to 10 in just a single day in Sandy area + Ghelsaba Outpost ( sp? ) and ive gotten 5 stacks of fire crystals (w00t) . now i need to know where i should go from here i got my WAR subbed for now and my rng is only 4 .... should i go with thf 15 as sub when i hit 30 or keep SAM/WAR all he way for double attack and Vokes .. ?


see im havin trouble with this cause with /THF i can SA which go's nice with Tachi : Enpi but double attk would do nice dmg with GK ....

r should i go /WAR > 30 > /THF > 40+ > /WAR ?

[Sheana]

It really depends on what you want to do.

Sam/rng is a ranged combat DD, 2nd only two a real rng. You get tp from the bow to use your WS, therefor i refer to sam/rng as sam/sam most of the time.

Sam/thf is for dmg, and accuracy early on. This is my combo of choice, since i am the unluckiest person on earth, and miss at every possible opportunity. Since Sam really isn't for dmg, i don't recommend this sub for very long. Your dmg in this job combo is gonna be based on one big hit, drk/thf style. Since i hate drk/thf, you will be a terrible person for doing this .

Sam/war is a cookie-cutter melee. Your job is going to be Sata buddy and SC builder. Zerk is good for dmg, Double attack is good for TP, but not as good as /rng.

For a good dmg/tp sam i suggest sam/rng.

[Mephisto]

depends entirely on the PT setup ;o Have both leveled

I have no real experience with SAM/RNG, but you're going to need an entirely spearate set of ranged attack gear to macro in... which would be in addition to the basic SAM gear (str or acc rings, haubergeon, etc). Also a C archery cap is gonna mean you'll need a bard or to be always eating acc food :spin:

[PedaTeda]

very good opions thx ... the only problem with /rng is i need to lvl my bow wth rng and i love marksmanship for rng ..... <,< and on my thf i have throwing up'd bahhhh

ill probly go with war most the time....

[Nodachi]

From what i've noticed, the SAMs pre 70's who choose to sub RNG and do well at it, should just be ranger main >.> They usually use archer's knife instead of a GKT, and gear everything towards ranged attack and accuracy, basically making them a gimp RNG with a mass array of TP.

I personally recomend war sub until level 60. Then thief sub > end game. /war is still fine for some situations as well in exp setups.

[PedaTeda]

personally i havent seen one /rng with archers knife and y would they go with archers knife if they can only have one >.> but i have seen like rng acc and attk rings on them ..... if i did do /rng i would have 2-3 gear sets ...

[Klades]

They go with an archer knife because C+ bow means whee, missing.

I rarely see anyone xp with sam/rng. I only know of two people who do, or did, it frequently, and one of them was one of those people who are so bad that the only way they can possibly get a PT is if they start it.

If you want to use ranged attacks, be a ranger. SAM/RNG in xp only makes any sense for 20-29 because of the acc bonus trait.

I think the real kicker is that for SAM, sidewinder in XP is just not all that. You'll get it at what, 58ish? And you'll get Yukikaze at 60. If you're looking for a big damage hit, sneak attack with Yuki, Gekko, or Kasha, with some STR gear and boosted TP, will most likely beat what you can do with sidewinder. Hell, I get bigger numbers than some RNG's sidewinders sometimes.

The absolute best sub starting at 30 is /war. 65-71, where you'll find yourself stuck ending chains somewhat frequently (or I did at least) /thf becomes useful as well. At 71, they balance out as far as XP pt goes, IMO.

[HellStorm]

the fact sams get a low rating for archery is a turnoff if u intend to sub rng for early lvls (even higher lvls usually). as least for me i subbed war and then gradually to thf (the norms) when i lvled my sam.

like the few posters have mentioned if u intend to use /rng u need many additional aids like +racc stuffs and racc food which imo it's better to do what a sam would do best.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by HellStorm
the fact sams get a low rating for archery is a turnoff if u intend to sub rng for early lvls (even higher lvls usually). as least for me i subbed war and then gradually to thf (the norms) when i lvled my sam.

like the few posters have mentioned if u intend to use /rng u need many additional aids like +racc stuffs and racc food which imo it's better to do what a sam would do best.

While it is a lower rating, it remains second best archery rating in game.

[PedaTeda]

which is sad since its C+ .... im lvling my rrng for marksmanship ... since i use that on my drk ^_^ sam ill prolly do /war then l8r /thf

[HellStorm]

stats doesn't show much tho. even if it's the 2nd best. i'm sure users of archery with sam would know how it feels.

archery of sam is capped at a lower lvl meaning even if u maxed which i did, the skill and racc against a rng is far and between. prolly the lvl of 65's rng against 75 maybe.

so if u want buy food and wear racc gear.