Sam out dmg Drk?

[Sholen]

Heeey Everybody, i'm just very curious on what character i should pick and i wanted to know What Jobs Can a Sam out damage? and Do you think i should pick a sam over a dark knight?

[Rodin]

Samurai and Dark are two different things. Samurai's gain TP like no other...and they can create massive skillchains. On the other hand Darks have the highest melee attack in the game, especially if they sub THF after sixty. Also a DRK has black magic, which if you choose to be, you'll come to love drain.

[davidmmmm9]

I have screen shots of my 300%tp kasha doing more than sneak attack+ spinslash XD

[replica]

Originally posted by davidmmmm9
I have screen shots of my 300%tp kasha doing more than sneak attack+ spinslash XD

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[ZQM]

Originally posted by Rodin
Samurai's gain TP like no other

RNG get TP faster except for meditate. Look at how much RNG ACC rangers get compared to melees. Also, don't forget that untop of ranged attacks there's the daggers TP.

...and they can create massive skillchains.

THF's have the most "massive" skillchains pre-level 3 renkeis.

On the other hand Darks have the highest melee attack in the game

Lots of monks like to beg to differ. Depends on the mob. Deffinatly up in the air though.

especially if they sub THF after sixty.

/WAR will give them more damage then /THF. /THF just allows them to do massive damage without gaining hate and dieing.

[Griddlecake]

No, DRK's, unfortunately, do have the highest dmg output, us MNK's just do more dmg over time...

And, SAM's can easily gain TP, but you can't argue with a high lvl MNK/SAM. They can gain TP faster with their two fists, and with the occasional kick, I don't know...

No disrespect to any SAM's, just an observation.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Griddlecake
No, DRK's, unfortunately, do have the highest dmg output, us MNK's just do more dmg over time...

And, SAM's can easily gain TP, but you can't argue with a high lvl MNK/SAM. They can gain TP faster with their two fists, and with the occasional kick, I don't know...

No disrespect to any SAM's, just an observation.

Close but RNG actually take the cake for highest damage output.

[Cron]

Damage

RNG ownz in term of Damage , i agree.
On the otherhand i must say it doesent matter , all these job's have plus and minus's,MNK if he is not fighting Bone enemy's is not as strong , also if u check in a PT if u have a SAM in there that know's what he is doing he will get most of the hate.DRK with THF makes sence cause of the haterate he gain's.Befor the TP charge change DRK was THE most powerfull Job in the game, but as of late i think even the MNK wich cannot charge TP through he's 8Hit WS has lost alot of potential.THF will stay one of the Top attacker's also DRK and WAR aswell.In the end i have to say a SAM is a perfect Job to have in combination with other Job's like ( RNG DRK THF PLD or NIN ) they are very effective and also just fun to play.The damage done by a SAM even trough a normal hit is unmatched and with the right equipment he will be usefull as no other middel melee Job for combo and hatecontrol issues.

[Mephisto]

I think if you look at it in terms of

SAM WS dmg + MB , they'd outdamage even rng- or come very close. In the PT I have been in, most of the SAM damage wasn't from just using lots of ws, it was the fact that the BLM could MB so many times.

[Kyoujin]

SAM WS dmg + MB , they'd outdamage even rng- or come very close. In the PT I have been in, most of the SAM damage wasn't from just using lots of ws, it was the fact that the BLM could MB so many times.

Thing is, you don't really need a samurai to renkei. The versatility is nice, but you can do without easily enough. MB'ing twice in a fight, at least at my level, isn't really feasible either. The mob is mostly dead after the first light/firaga3. Not to mention that the BLM has agro after the first MB =). He'd be the tank if we managed to fit a second renkei/mb in there. But...even with two renkei we don't touch ranger damage. I've seen rangers stick 2.5k sidewinders to IT+ mobs. That's more than two firaga3 bursts.

I have screen shots of my 300%tp kasha doing more than sneak attack+ spinslash XD

I dropped a 300%, 2-hit Kasha bomb in Kuftal for 800. I was impressed...until the DRK finished the chain with a sneaked/tricked spinning slash plus light for 3k =p.

[Geo]

Lets burn the DRKs to death...

[Cron]

SAM

in the overall look i must say that sam is my most favorit job to have next to a HighDamage dealer.
RNG is most strong but also die's extremly fast,
also i wanted to add, u can make up to 5 MB's in 1 fight and the BLM wont get Hit 1 time ( if u control the hate correctly )other then that a BLM using MB is the most powerfull weapon u can use.
Fighting >HNM's will get u to that system( 5 MB's ) cause u will need it in the end to defeat the Big NM's of the game.So in the end i still keep my opinion, SAM is alot of fun to play cause he alway's has something to do : )
The Lak of really good Katana's is a problem tho....
My Skill lv is 281 and i must say , I LOVE THIS JOB.....

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Kyoujin


Thing is, you don't really need a samurai to renkei. The versatility is nice, but you can do without easily enough. MB'ing twice in a fight, at least at my level, isn't really feasible either. The mob is mostly dead after the first light/firaga3. Not to mention that the BLM has agro after the first MB =). He'd be the tank if we managed to fit a second renkei/mb in there. But...even with two renkei we don't touch ranger damage. I've seen rangers stick 2.5k sidewinders to IT+ mobs. That's more than two firaga3 bursts.



I dropped a 300%, 2-hit Kasha bomb in Kuftal for 800. I was impressed...until the DRK finished the chain with a sneaked/tricked spinning slash plus light for 3k =p.

Never played into the 65's so I have no idea about this, so I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. I had a PT with a SAM at 55 in Kuftal (I think) and we were pulling off 3 renkei per crab (somtimes more). The MB damage from a BLM + RDM was insane, we had the camp to ourselves, and were killing too fast for respawns

[davidmmmm9]

it's only happened twice, but the capture program was only on during one of the times


also, usually I didn't renkei more than once during a single fight unless it was something that took a while to kill like weapons because of their high magic tolerance, or golems. Most of the time it was renkei with other melee, MB, dead. Start of next fight, renkei with tank, mb, hit a couple times, dead. Repeat. Sometimes I didn't even have to use meditate because after you renkei with one person it's almost dead so you save tp, by the time you renkei with the other person on the next monster you're already at 100%. So during some parties I would have to renkei with two people and have my meditate free to use for emergency or whenever I wanted an extra ws.

[Cron]

lol

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