questions so many questions

[swordchucks]

I was gonna go warrior samurai but i just looked at the sam skill chart and it got me thinking of making this a main but i have alot of questions.

1. The age old will people like/want me as a Galka SAM/WAR ive heard so much about how SAM as a main sucks but i fail to see how. This is my biggest concern,theres no way it can be worse than Monk.

2. Do the TP bonuses apply to WS gained tp? If so at level 70 wouldnt a samurai have +10 per hit from tp bonuses there fore wouldnt a level 70 spear using sam be capable of using penta thrust forever? Penta gain 100 back penta? This is just a hypothetical ? that really has no bearing on my descision just wondering. G Kat is almost to cool not to use anyway.

4 Store TPs go 10,30,50,70 and add 1,2,3,4 per hit right?

5. What about versitility? Ive read a same can be as versitile as a warrior almost just not quite as good a tank.

6. Any word on adding skills (the job really seems ability deviod granted the 2 they get are very very good) ?

7. Do SAMs get outdated 60+ ? Another thread i looked at was saying they do

8. Does G katana get a AOE WS? i just really really want one for farming

9. Is Mediate a 3 or 1 minute ability ive seen both listed if its a 3 can some please tell me how a Sam can hang with Drgs and Drks because my dreams have just been crushed :dead:

10. And finally,probably most importantly,is it fun?

ok that it, thanks in advance

[swordchucks]

ohh come on please i dont even care about the otheres so much just please answer 1 and 7 those are the only 2 points holding me back i really do want to play this job

[TokeN]

Re: questions so many questions

Originally posted by swordchucks

1. The age old will people like/want me as a Galka SAM/WAR ive heard so much about how SAM as a main sucks but i fail to see how. This is my biggest concern,theres no way it can be worse than Monk.

Thats pretty ignorant what you said about MNK. MNK > You

[swordchucks]

more like being a realist I love the monk job but monks DO NOT get parties easily theres to much anti monk propoganda out there i got told by 2 leaders they had no use for a monk 2 times in one day in freaking VALK never did get a party that day either :dead: .Believe me wasnt trying to bash monks just stating popular opinion

[Straith]

1. There is more competition for dps melee slots in groups than any other type. If you do not have a set PT, want to be in high demand , and get a PT whenever you want it- be a bard.

2. Yes, it applies to WS's. I can't tell you what it would be at 70, but nowhere near +10tp a hit. maybe 3.5-4 with a 450 dly katana? (guessing). Sidenote: even at level 42, Spear is so far behind G Katana in terms of accuracy and damage that I could only see using penta for farming.

3. You seem to have missed this number.

4. It varies on weapon delay. It is a set %, not a set # as far as I know. (edit: not so sure on this one, and too lazy to test, I'm sure someone can correct it. 1,2,etc sounds right, I just kinda take it for granted and never really counted it.)

5. Yah, I guess with the right gear and food a samurai could tank decently enough. I tanked up until 30, now I have a set PT with a paladin, so it doesn't come up much. I just know things hit me alot harder than they hit him.

6. dunno

7. I'm not 60+ yet, but I fail to see how it could happen to the degree people say it does. This is supposedly when other classes can sub samurai for meditate and get their class defining ws's. But considering we get alot more TP per meditate plus get to keep double attack and beserk where they have to give it up...shrug. And with Nodachi and a couple others saying they are pulling 700+ dmg WS's, I'd say sam is hardly outdated. Just my ramblings, I'll let you know when I get there. And hey, in my opinon, they should pull more personal dps than a samurai. They seem more frail to me, sacrificing almost all defense for offense. Also, our strength and dps potential tends to lie with the other members of the group moreso than other dps classes. If the group is funtioning well, the samurai can function well, if the group sucks and there isnt much communication, the samurai isnt going to perform as well. A drg or drk will probably pull similar dps in both instances though.

8. Not that I know of. Havent looked into many of the higher up ones in detail yet though.

9. 3 minutes on meditate. Once again I cannot comment on the 60ish range when Drk get guillotine and Drg get penta (though a class supposedly being confined to one ws to perform well doesn't sound fun to me), but I've not been impressed at all by the drg and drk ive grouped with at my level. And this really Isn't a knock on the skill of the players either. Gear might be a factor, but I felt what I brought to the group was well above theirs. Well equipped rangers on the other hand...

10. It's fun for me. I've got a half set PT with a pld and a whm. Outside of their mana, I control the flow of the group. I generally take care of inviting 3 to fill, and pick whom I want to renkei with. I set up two separate renkei with whatever dps melee I pull in and our pld. I'm usually well ahead in the TP game and waiting on both of them. I coordinate with the blm and choose renkei for the group. I pull things for the group at a rate I hope will allow us to kill at optimal efficiency. It keeps me busy and its really rewarding when everything goes right.

Although I kinda tire of the daily posts saying samurai sucks when I know better, I'll have to admit they are part of what drew me to the job. I enjoy playing characters in mmorpgs that most consider bad or second rate and showing how well they can shine when played right.

[theevilmoney002]

Re: questions so many questions

Originally posted by swordchucks
I was gonna go warrior samurai but i just looked at the sam skill chart and it got me thinking of making this a main but i have alot of questions.

1. The age old will people like/want me as a Galka SAM/WAR ive heard so much about how SAM as a main sucks but i fail to see how. This is my biggest concern,theres no way it can be worse than Monk.

2. Do the TP bonuses apply to WS gained tp? If so at level 70 wouldnt a samurai have +10 per hit from tp bonuses there fore wouldnt a level 70 spear using sam be capable of using penta thrust forever? Penta gain 100 back penta? This is just a hypothetical ? that really has no bearing on my descision just wondering. G Kat is almost to cool not to use anyway.

4 Store TPs go 10,30,50,70 and add 1,2,3,4 per hit right?

5. What about versitility? Ive read a same can be as versitile as a warrior almost just not quite as good a tank.

6. Any word on adding skills (the job really seems ability deviod granted the 2 they get are very very good) ?

7. Do SAMs get outdated 60+ ? Another thread i looked at was saying they do

8. Does G katana get a AOE WS? i just really really want one for farming

9. Is Mediate a 3 or 1 minute ability ive seen both listed if its a 3 can some please tell me how a Sam can hang with Drgs and Drks because my dreams have just been crushed :dead:

10. And finally,probably most importantly,is it fun?

ok that it, thanks in advance

1.SAM isnt the BEST main, but there are some die-hard SAMs like myself who just dont cat and play as a SAM because we want to.

2. no (maybe im wrong, someone else double check me)

3. wait...you dont have a 3...

4. Store TP goes 10, 30, 50. not sure about 70, and as for ammount per hit, im sure it increases by more than just 1,2,3 (dont realy check since i get TP fast enough)

5. True, SAMs are not as good of a tank as a WAR, but they will eventualy out dammage them. Smurai's strength lies in their TP attacks.

6. huh? you mean like furute plans for SAM? not sure how to answer that...sorry =/

7. Not too sure, depends what your comparing it to, it will never be the one that deals the most damage phisicaly, though Tachi: Enpi and Tachi: Jinpu does pack a powerfull punch at higher lvls.

8. No.

9. Its a 3 min ability, normaly I use it when i have about 94 or 100% TP so i can make my own renki combos. and if your using a spear then it pretty much goes like this: work up 100% TP, use penta, hit enemy 2x, use penta, repeat. if you miss, you always have meditate. (duno how helpfull im being right now)

10. SAM is the best job I have EVER used. If i could, id go back to lv.1 SAM and do it again just because it kicks that much ass.
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edit: just so ya know, im REALY tired, so not much is making sense. hope I was able to help you and answer a few of your questions.

[swordchucks]

thanks that helped alot, the only thing really holding me back from going sam was the fear of being eternally damned to sitting with lfg up at higher levels because ive become obsolete and no one wants me but the first poster really made me feel better about that

ohh and yeah theres a tp gain at 70 according to the only website i know of thats always right its +4 per every it im almost sure unless what i was originally told about how store tp works is wrong

any more input would be much appreciated

[Wanderer]

You're going to love it!

Hey hey! Don't worry about what other people say. Sure there are other jobs that hit harder or faster, but it really is fun being a Samurai. Other than the ever flowing of TP madness! There's always that cool G.Katana sound you get heehee. I wrote a little bit on my experience as a Samurai.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=33295

Hope this helps in the motivation. Besides, who says you can't play ALL the jobs? heehee I'm sticking to SAM/WAR for party sakes. Mainly for provoke, berserk, defender, and double attack. I doesn't happen fequently but just incase our PLD dies...it's good to be able to save the mages. Yes, I'm in a dedicated party. But we didn't start til we were all Lv.44. From Lv.1 to Lv.44 I really didn't have a hard time finding parties. I'd /invite in Jeuno and maybe 5-10 minutes someone would send me a tell (grant it I did have some bad days).
I am currently experimenting with other types of SubJobs. Probably gonna give DRK a try...and if anything, I will most definately try NIN. In all honesty, it's all about whether or not you're having fun. In fact, last week this DRK was downing on me: "Ha, you're so weak compared to me" "It's funny how I hit harder than any of you lame SAMs". Well...both the DRK and I were Lv.48. And we were both ended up in seperate parties in the Citidel fighting Funnel Bats and Beetles. And just out of coincidence our PLD died and I had to provoke and tank. I've got lots of faith in my WHM. She kept me alive. I kept hate on my by using provoke and Weapon Skills. And yes, we survived that fight. heehee amazingly enough, that happened to his party. And they had a PLD, DRK, THF, WHM, BLM, BRD. The THF and PLD both suffered ill fate to JetStream. That left the DRK to take the hits... and the poor WHM even admitted that he was taking too much damage to keep him healthy. Eventually the WHM died and then the BLM. The BRD eventually called for help right as the DRK died. That's when I sent him a tell "Well, it's too bad you can't save your party". That tell was directed to him and not his job. I have lots of respect for all jobs. In fact, I know a few DRKs that are just awesome to party with. It just proves to show how there are some people out there with tunnel vision.

Take care!

-Wanderer-

[swordchucks]

well thanks for all your help everyone,i started SAM yesterday and am currently loving it, just level 11 and Valkurm so ill see how that goes. And yes you were right the katana sound is very cool . Again thank you