Tachi: Kasha / Tachi: Hanaguruma

[KaworuNagisa]

Any information on the new 250 WS? Somebody rumored it to be 5 hit (which I doubt -_- but yea ;p Still have not seen it and coulda sworn it was the flower petal thing.. (given away by the name too..)

Can I get basic information? Damage... hits.. a video perhaps?

I believe it was mentioned to be a 1 hitter and confirmed but I just want to check..

Thanks.

[Onisan]

I saw someone use it on the boat to mhuara. he was about level 72, and he hit a ocean crab for about 500 with the WS.
the ocean crab checked easy prey for me and I'm level 24.
so yeah.

[KaworuNagisa]

Meh =( Sounds weak..

[Loc]

Well that's a dissapointment, hopefully one day we will get a decent great katana skill that just might make Samurai a worthwhile main job. Until then, we're just the old 3rd rate has-beens that can't find groups

[choyz]

Originally posted by Loc
Well that's a dissapointment, hopefully one day we will get a decent great katana skill that just might make Samurai a worthwhile main job. Until then, we're just the old 3rd rate has-beens that can't find groups

umm, i think you should stop reading and absorbing all the crap on this board. your saying samarai isnt a worthy class? give me a break, at level 51 you get penta thrust. 5 hit ws, thats a give-me 30-60 tp each attack (depending on hit rate). with meditate thats atleast 4-6 ws a battle. your level 40, you havent even tapped into the good weapon skills for great katana...

if you havent noticed, all of the classes are balanced in some way or another... other than beastmaster, everything is compatible with one another. the only reason why you say samarai isnt worthy is because of all the gossip on the board. half the people dont even have samarais over 60+ so they just talk out of their asses.

i on the other hand am not an expert ( 47 samarai / 23 warrior ) but i can tell you that samarai is definatly a worthy class to be if not one of the best. stop reading what other people tell you and talking out of your ass.

[Seulgaist]

Originally posted by choyz
umm, i think you should stop reading and absorbing all the crap on this board. your saying samarai isnt a worthy class? give me a break, at level 51 you get penta thrust. 5 hit ws, thats a give-me 30-60 tp each attack (depending on hit rate). with meditate thats atleast 4-6 ws a battle. your level 40, you havent even tapped into the good weapon skills for great katana...

if you havent noticed, all of the classes are balanced in some way or another... other than beastmaster, everything is compatible with one another. the only reason why you say samarai isnt worthy is because of all the gossip on the board. half the people dont even have samarais over 60+ so they just talk out of their asses.

i on the other hand am not an expert ( 47 samarai / 23 warrior ) but i can tell you that samarai is definatly a worthy class to be if not one of the best. stop reading what other people tell you and talking out of your ass.

Except all the problems with Sam start once you go past 60. Seriously, penta thrust is shit. Its only good for solo. You cant do any good renkei with it and you hardly ever connect with all the hits.

[Loc]

Well choyz, I "absorb" the things people say here because mainly I give them credit enough not to just come on the board and make stuff up, why would they?

My point isn't that samurai sucks, it's that samurai doesn't have anything to compete with other jobs. DRK has guillotine, DRG has a GOOD penta, not a halfass low attack penta like us. (I think at 60-70 the attack for spear is about 20 points less than gkta) RNG has sidewinder, and what do SAMs have? Meditate, that after 60 becomes obsolete, because everybody else can get it.

I don't doubt that greatkatana has a few half decent WS, but the fact is that they aren't so hardcore that everybody knows their name and respects them, like guill, penta and sidewinder.

[Andry]

penta sucks for groups...

I like sams though...2 renkeis with 2 different melees means 2 magic bursts for me =)

[Khaunshar]

Penta does crap chains mostly, with 2 exceptions though.

Tachi:Jinpu >> Penta Thrust is a level 2 darkness renkei..... no big deal you say, and I agree, unless..... your healer uses aspir. If the mob has MP (not all do, beetles are a good example, in garlaige they got plenty MP to suck away) he can MB aspir off it, plus the chain itself does decent damage.

Other way around you get a Detonation chain, a level 1 wind renkei, for at least SOME quality to MB off.

Stop seeing everything as either crap or godly, almost any skill in this game has its place, and while penta might seem very nice at the level you get it at, its not the end-of-all weaponskill.

Ultimately, renkei chains are for MB's just as much as for chain damage, and I've yet to see a class as versatile as the samurai for this job. Between Polearm and Katana, we can fill any spot in a chain.

Only monks come close.

Also worth notice: the first warrior greataxe WS is considered the best for a looong time. Never heard someone cry imbalance though.