2H Katana vs Spear

[Sirius Black]

What do you think Nodachi(or anyone else)? Which one do you like more. I personally prefer swords, but everyone is now saying that SAMs should have a spear. This makes no sense, because aren't SAMs better with 2H Katanas? So shouldn't the Katana have better WS? Because I agree that Penta Thrust sounds better than Flying Swallow, Masterous Attack, Thunderous Heaven or Heat Wave. Am I mistaken are all of those actually really bad ass abilities. Also, in another post (the one where you showed the SAM only spear) you said the Katana really sucks when it misses, and since it's the SAMs "main Weapon" isn't this some proof that THF is just as good a sub for DMG dealing as WAR because of his uped DEX and AGI?

[doublet83]

I remember someone saying samurai have a 250 katana weapon skill that hasn't been unlocked yet. It does five hits like penta thrust. If true, this should be a plus for the katana. I want to use katana too, because they're just cooler.

[Heartsclaw]

I plan to start the game as a Warrior and use a Spear. That way When I switch to Samurai or Dragoon my WS will be good because both are good at using Spears. And Penta Thrust is pretty wicked. You can develop both of them, too. That's what i'm going to do.

[Sirius Black]

Yes but...

Originally posted by Heartsclaw
I plan to start the game as a Warrior and use a Spear. That way When I switch to Samurai or Dragoon my WS will be good because both are good at using Spears. And Penta Thrust is pretty wicked. You can develop both of them, too. That's what i'm going to do.

See a DRG/WAR would definately kick ass esp. it you already lvl'd the spear because the spear IS the DRG's A weapon. However, it is not a SAM's A Weapon the Katana is. Which esentially means the spear will never be as good as the Katana. If SAM has a 5 hit no matter what lvl I'm sold. DRG/WAR would kick ass too though between Penta and High Jump, I think you would be more useful than any DRK not to even mention the Wyvern.... mmm... Dragoon. Damn me and my love of Swords and Samurais.

[Rico]

What is Nodachi the cool Samurai guy or something I never had a topic mainly to me ;_; O well... it depends how you want it to be but I recomend Katanas

[Sirius Black]

Rico!

Don't feel bad, it's just half of the purpous behind this post was that I wanted to hear his opinion on the SAM/THF being better than the SAM/WAR with their main weapon. Really just because in my other post he kept telling me that WARRIOR was the best no matter what. Really it's just I respect his opinion and since i've choosen SAM/THF I was just surious to if he thought ths made enough of a difference to tilt the tides in my favor over the Warriors.... That and I wanted to know why everyon was choosing that weapon instead? It's like a master Thief with a 2H Staff over a Dagger.

[Nodachi]

Hmm this is kinda a touch topic. If you're a level 51 samurai who has penta, great. Your party may even ask you to ignore renkeis and just keep doing as many pentas as possible. (the main problem i see with subbing thief for samurai with penta is . . . you won't have it as a WS ability lol. I don't want to confuse people on the whole sub-job topic anymore but there are certain WS which require a job to be subd in order to be able to have it. For penta you must either have DRG or WAR subd in order to use it. For dancing edge (thieves big I KEEL YOU WS. . . )you must have your dagger at the appropreate level and you must either have thief as your main or as your sub.

As far as SAM WS with 2H katana. They can be pretty strong versus certain enemies but despite how strong they can be, the Katana is a very renkeiable weapon - there will almost always be a good renkei available when Katana is in the mix. Even if the SAM's WS may be the weakest of the renkei'ing WS's in the party - it will setup for a good renkei and a good magic blast to finish it off. And yes, as doublet83 said, the level 250 WS that samurai get with their 2H katana frikkin pwns lol. It's already been unlocked however. I happned to see the mid part of it in Oz the other day (wish i saw the whole thing up close) but from others discriptions of it. " the sword starts to glow and the samurai actually almost seems to jump up and down while striking" it, like doublet83 said again, lands 5 hits just like penta. The main difference is the element attatched to this WS is light.

if any questions remain or wern't answered just PM if you want a quicker response. If not, post here and i'll eventually get to it lol.

[Rurouni_Kenshin]

katanas are samurais main weapons u dont see samurais walking around with spears thats y there the best with 2h katanas only. and i would love to see that 5 hit combo too!

[Nodachi]

lol i'd say half of the level 50 + samurai walk around with spears actually.

[Sirius Black]

Originally posted by Nodachi
lol i'd say half of the level 50 + samurai walk around with spears actually.

Not only that, but from what I understand a lot of PTs would rather see Penta over and over than even bother with Renkei.

[Rent-A-Hamster]

/cheer pentathrust

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the dagger WS dancing edge an EX2 type WS? As in your main job has to be thief?

[Nodachi]

Nah close - just has to be subd - i've now seen PLD and WAR do it during NM hunting. Believe me - it is seksy x3 lol.

[Guest]

A bit off topic but....

Would a Dragoon/Samuri be a good mix?Or would it b better if it was Dragoon/Warrior?im lookin to deal as much damage as i can with a mithra.Thank you for takin the time to read this post.

[Sirius Black]

Well...

They would both be good combos, the SAM would of course give you the TP gains to do Penta over and over, but I think WAR would be a more balanced an reliable sub. As you would have Berserk and Defender (depending on what you need) plus passive attack and defense. Since you can't start as a DRG or SAM though, you may as well lv the WAR anyway. And then at a lv 18 get a sub for the WAR either MNK or THF probably, and then if at high lvs you feel you want to lv a second advanced job then lv SAM. However, for a pure attacker DRG/WAR > DRG/SAM as the only advantage SAM will give is TP gain which you won't get as a sub until lv 30.

[Guest]

Thanks.I was wondering cus i dont have the game yet and i wanted to know if that would b good.Cus im lookin to do a lot of damage.And i thought samuris and dragoons were the best damage dealers.Well thank you again.:spin: