I've decided... unless

[Sirius Black]

Now, I know this isn't exactly the strongest sub job for a SAM, but tell me what you think. For a long time I was thinking about being a Red Mage (mostly cuz I liked them so much in other FFs) but most people seem to think it's a bad combo for a SAM. I still want that White Magic though, so I think I should be a SAM/PLA no wI know it kinda defeats the conventional uses of a PLA since you lose his super job ability, and I wouldn't have taunt. Between his defense and a Sam's though, I would have a pretty decent character there. Plus the SAM abilities should make up for the PLA crappy strength. Plus I would have that little bit of White Magic that and just enough MP to pull it off in a pinch that I would feel pretty confident. I realize soloing isn't very easy or even probable in this game, but I don't like being 100% reliable on others, because I do like going on my own sometimes. Plus I think I would still be reasonably useful in PT I know I wouldn't be as good as a full PLA/WAR because no taunt or a SAM/WAR, but I think it would still be ok. Feel free to put me in my place thanks

[Sirius Black]

Opinions?

No one knows? I was kinda considering SAM/THF but I heard the new patch made thief a crappy sub job. I don't know, what do you think:

SAM/PLA
Level: 70
HP: 1296
MP: 76
STR: 67
DEX: 64
VIT: 69
AGI: 54
INT: 58
MND: 62
CHR: 62

SAM/THF
Level: 70
HP: 1278
MP: 0
STR: 65
DEX: 69
VIT: 65
AGI: 59
INT: 62
MND: 58
CHR: 58

The PLA gives stronger stats (minus DEX & AGI) so it would make a stronger character plus it has white magic. However, I think the THF would give better abilities unless the sneak attack stuff really did get worse in the new patch. What do you think?

[Irinicus]

I apologize for straying off topic, but I have to ask if you are a Harry Potter fan. your user name is the name of his Godfather.

[Sirius Black]

Yes I am a Harry Potter fan...... Remus was already taken.

[Irinicus]

It is sad what happens in Book 5.

[Rurouni_Kenshin]

ok well i dont think a good sub job for samurai would be paladin because samurais dont use magic and if u have magic and use it its gonna be very weak but on the other hand i think samurai/theif sounds good because i think when u get to like level 50 u get triple attack (too lazy too check) that will help u alot with ur renkei and u get the agility and and evasion stats and moves along with theif so i recomend theif too u. But remember samurai were made for there renkei not for anything else.

[Sirius Black]

thanks

Well, I've considered so many classes and finally come down to these, and I've now decided on Samurai/Thief for sure. I really considered Warrior and Monk, but I like the Thief abilities more. Than some strength and hp. Plus the EVA and AGI is nice too. Thanks for your help. Also, what is triple attack?'s at 55 btw. Will the lvl cap go to 110?

Yes OotP was sad. However, I really liked it, ESP... spoilers: Fred and Georges Flight.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Rurouni_Kenshin
ok well i dont think a good sub job for samurai would be paladin because samurais dont use magic and if u have magic and use it its gonna be very weak but on the other hand i think samurai/theif sounds good because i think when u get to like level 50 u get triple attack (too lazy too check) that will help u alot with ur renkei and u get the agility and and evasion stats and moves along with theif so i recomend theif too u. But remember samurai were made for there renkei not for anything else.

lmao i swear i was reading one of my posts there for awhile - and no you can't sub thief and have tripple attack - for the record friend PTd with sam/thief last night and apparently it blew.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Nodachi
lmao i swear i was reading one of my posts there for awhile - and no you can't sub thief and have tripple attack -

ahh here's why i thought i was reading my own post - way to use my words and still get it all turned around there matey :sweat:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...801#post162801

P.S. Note the lazy bit in my original post - :sweat:

[Sirius Black]

but.....

Warrior is SO boring, yes their stats are good but they can't do anything cool...

-Taunt- Awesome! If you feel like being the party member that stands around taking hits.

-Berserk- Boring.... and I'm sure it probably makes almost NO difference.

-Defender- Same as Berserk only... lamer.

-War Cry- Well your already taking the damage you may as well get it over fast and up your homies stats.

-Aggressor- It's not like your trying to evade anyways.

Thief's Triple Attack >>>>>>>> Warrior's Double Attack

[Sirius Black]

However...

The Thief on the other hand:

-Steal- Always a favorite (even for Celebs like Winnona Rider, or really high leveled ones like Martha Stuart)

-Surprise Attack- Fighting dirty is fun too

-Flee- The coolest FF ability (Next to Mug) if something is weak and a waste of your time... Leave! If they are going to kill you... Leave!

-Feint Attack- EXTREME DAMAGE while being cheap

-Pick Pocket- Everyone loves GIL!

-Hide- You never know.

Plus the Job qualities are WAY cooler:

Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Resist Gravity
Treasure Hunter
TRIPLE ATTACK!

Warrior:
virus resist

[Nodachi]

Re: but.....

Originally posted by Sirius Black
Warrior is SO boring, yes their stats are good but they can't do anything cool...

-Taunt- Awesome! If you feel like being the party member that stands around taking hits.

-Berserk- Boring.... and I'm sure it probably makes almost NO difference.

-Defender- Same as Berserk only... lamer.

-War Cry- Well your already taking the damage you may as well get it over fast and up your homies stats.

-Aggressor- It's not like your trying to evade anyways.

Thief's Triple Attack >>>>>>>> Warrior's Double Attack

lol no offense but i think you're just lying to yourself to make yourself more conffidant in your decision. point and case would be - Tanking is a hell of a lot more fun than just sitting there and hitting imo, unless you're a thief (main and performin gbackstabs and what have you). Beserk? usless? pfff - the only thing bad about beserk is how much it lowers your defense. but beserk should be casted just before every WS you do - you'll find that in later levels especially it boosts WS damage significantly. Defender? same thing? double pfff - when you can't shake the hate you've caused from your renkei damage and are worried your mages MP is gona run short nothing is nicer to have on hand than defender which can buy you a few more turns in some cases. as for the others you won't be subbing them and using them for awhile. and if i'm correct in that thiefs tripple attack is a level 50 passive ability you would have to be a level 100 sam lolol just in order to use it. but i don't see how war is more boring than other melees which have less abilities than it. i'm sorry i'm not meaning to come off as attacking you or your thread for say it's just i feel some things are being said which arn't true.

[Nodachi]

Re: However...

Originally posted by Sirius Black
The Thief on the other hand:

-Steal- Always a favorite (even for Celebs like Winnona Rider, or really high leveled ones like Martha Stuart)

-Surprise Attack- Fighting dirty is fun too

-Flee- The coolest FF ability (Next to Mug) if something is weak and a waste of your time... Leave! If they are going to kill you... Leave!

-Feint Attack- EXTREME DAMAGE while being cheap

-Pick Pocket- Everyone loves GIL!

-Hide- You never know.

Plus the Job qualities are WAY cooler:

Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Resist Gravity
Treasure Hunter
TRIPLE ATTACK!

Warrior:
virus resist

sorry i'm getting nit picky but virus resist is about as good as gravity resist lol. and i'd rather always have more str with atk up than i would gamble with sams so so agility on their dodging ability.

[Rurouni_Kenshin]

lol sorry nodachi guess ive been reading too many of ur posts and if u read this clear ur pm so i can mail u

[Sirius Black]

hmmm....

More than anything, I wasn't trying to talk myself out of it, I was trying to provoke someone into telling me good things about the WAR... And it worked. Thank you. I really have come a long way. I wanted to be a Red Mage for a LONG time but after all the "good at everything, master of nothing" sunk it I gave up on that. Im wondering, what makes SAM a better Tanking class than the Paladin? Because I was considering that as well. Also, I was thinking about a Dragoon but everyone says the Wyvern is the only cool thing and that Jumps in XI are a joke. Have you had any experience with them? I'm trying to figure out a job that all partys are impressed by, a job that is a good fighter, that PT's won't just except but want. What do you think?