How fast is the fastest?

[Sepukku]

Me and the other RDM from the LS I am in had an arguement over whats the most amount of WSs possible to do 90 seconds under best possible circumstances.
He argues with Joyuese/Kraken dual wielded you can get 6 in 90 seconds if you get lucky and get 7 or 8 hits each time the Kraken is swung.
Im saying:
Hornetneedle/Beestinger combo
Dual Wield-2 (-3% of the combined delay I believe, at least thats what he said)
Starting at 100 TP
Icarus Wing
Both BRD Haste Songs
RDM/WHM Haste Spell
Speed Belt
(Maybe even Dusk Gear?)

You could pull off 9-10 WSs in 90 seconds. My Starting at 100TP, use of Icarus Wing, and BRD songs is his compensation for the large luck factor needed to get 7-8 Hits on every Kraken Club swing.

With starting at 100 TP, using it to start the timer, popping Wing, using another WS...thats 2 WS in first 6 seconds. Now theres 84 seconds to get 100 TP 7-8 more times. Your WS leaves you with TP. The enemy hitting you (not using phalanax/stoneskin/utsusemi for this trial) is more TP to count. I believe Dual Wield-2 delay on Hornetneedle/Beeestinger combo is 291 before Hastes Equipment/Spells according to my RDM friends formula. (Dual Wield-2= Combine delay, then -3%)
With Haste gear, both Haste songs, and Haste spell, you have the delay down to almost 150 again. (Estimating in the 180 range?) Now thats 10-TP every 1.5 seconds roughly? 15 Seconds per WS before factoring in TP from Mob and TP given from WS landing.

Any thoughts if its do-able under given circumstances?

[Laehn]

With a brd doing soul voice and stacking March (haste song) you get about twice the effect of normal haste. Add haste, and you get about 3 times the effect of haste, so thats pretty fast. I dunno if theres a cap to how fast a person can actually swing, but if there is, you'll probably reach it in a situation like that.

[Kilgraw]

I've had a bard use Soul Voice, March X 2 before he left our skill up pt before while I was using my hornetneedle. Honestly I couldn't see the difference Soul Voice made.

[Laehn]

Like i said, there could be a cap on how fast you can swing a weapon.

It IS double the speed with soul voice, no question. A possible reason could the brd didnt have HQ instruments and the original songs werent overwritten. Thats very likely if the brd was using madrigal and minuet or just stacking madrigal.

[Zempten]

Or there couldn't be cap but we just don't notice the difference because it is so fast as in if your swinging for 1 second and .5 of a second. Your not really going to notice that at all

[Laehn]

Originally posted by Zempten
Or there couldn't be cap but we just don't notice the difference because it is so fast as in if your swinging for 1 second and .5 of a second. Your not really going to notice that at all

Very true. Although im not entirely sure if haste/march decrease delay by percentages or by a set amount. That information would be nice.

[Sepukku]

What I'm wishing SE would do is if you get enough Haste effects and gear with lower delay weapons, your swings become one long, continuous, flowing, never-ending motion. That'd be pretty awesome, but no matter how much I try my Taru always pauses for what seems to be .25 seconds between every swing.

[Laehn]

There is a cap on +haste. +41-42%

Click Here for the page.

Thanks Apple Pie for that useful information.

[Akebono]

And now imagine all that with a joyeus/kraken combo!!

*drools*

[Sepukku]

Laehn, thats Japanese site >< Anything more international friendly? Say, english? Other countries learn English but us Americans are too stupid and lazy to learn the languages of others ><.

[DrowII]

Originally posted by Sepukku
Laehn, thats Japanese site >< Anything more international friendly? Say, english? Other countries learn English but us Americans are too stupid and lazy to learn the languages of others ><.

That is a pretty retarded statement. Maybe you should keep your bigoted stereotyping to yourself as well as speak for yourself I can definately see that you are stupid and lazy.

[Akebono]

Actually, he's pretty right. Call what you will, stereotyping or whatever but Americans are in general only know English while nearly all other countries know their native language and English.

They say if you speak three languages, you're trilingual, two languages you're bilingual, and one language, you're American.

Yes I'm an American. I'm not saying ALL americans are like this, but in general yes they only know English. Go to japan, nearly everyone there speaks both Japanese and English, can you say the same about Americans here? No you can't.

[DrowII]

Regardless of whether many Americans choose to learn another language when you have just pointed out that EVERYONE else speaks ours, this does not make it ok to make blanket statements about Americans. He himself is bitching because he cannot read Japanese but is too stupid and lazy personally to do anything other than complain.

[ifandbut]

Everyone is getting OT about the whole language thing. I would like to see a english site or a transulation of that one tho.

[Laehn]

Use babelfish.