Hoo Boy, I cant wait until level 41 now ^^

[WishMaster3K]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have seen the power of Dispel in a party and Phalanx/Stoneskin while farming, and all I can say is "Wow! " I mean, I had to do necklace farming in Yaguado to get Utsusemi, and I would pull maybe 20-30 Yaguados at once and nuke them with Stonega.

All the while, I took NO damage. Even when Stoneskin wore off, I think it only did cause of time, because with just Phalanx on, I was still taking no damage.

The only problem I had actually was with MP. Before i decided to train/nuke, I was able to farm longer than ever, beacause the only spells i had to do were Phalanx, Stoneskin, Blaze Spikes and Enblizzard. No Regen, so multiple cures, no Drain, it was great!

But alas, i still ran out of MP. I cant wait till Refresh >< I can stay in one zone forever and never have to stop and rest. Anyone else experience such joy when they got themselves the previously mentioned spells?

(Oh BTW, Dispel is so friggin over-powered, i swear, it must be timing that we get it right before we're supposed to go to Crawlers... I mean, it totally rocked the Crawler, a RNG would need 10+ Bloody Bolts to do that! ;.; I love RDM all over again.)

[eman0255]

thats funny

I cracked up when I read this because i just spent all day doing the same thing. I just bought phalanx this morning and then spent the rest of the day killing yags, it took me a while to figure out that i could ga nuke em without getting scrached. I was thinking of maybe switching and start playing nin after i got utsusemi but after the power of phalanx im back on the rdm train all the way. only 100 yag necklaces to go for me, good luck!!!

[Sepukku]

Are you thinking of the Defense Down Bolts to overrun the Crawlers Defense Boost? Cause those aint Bloody Bolts, those are Acid Bolts

[Akiro]

Bards can do exactly what a red mage can do Refresh and Dispel except Ballad is 25 yours is 41 XP and at 55 were pretty much equal except for our 2 hour doubleing the effect of our Songs, over powered in spells compared to a Bard not quite,over powered in soloing crap way above the limitations of anyone else, yep.

[WishMaster3K]

Originally posted by Akiro
Bards can do exactly what a red mage can do Refresh and Dispel except Ballad is 25 yours is 41 XP and at 55 were pretty much equal except for our 2 hour doubleing the effect of our Songs, over powered in spells compared to a Bard not quite,over powered in soloing crap way above the limitations of anyone else, yep.

Sorry, i cant understand the train of thought here, what with the bad grammer and such. I think you kinda contadicted yourself...

except Ballad is 25 yours is 41 XP and at 55 were pretty much equal except for our 2 hour doubleing the effect of our Songs

Yeah, isnt that great, a BRD gets to stack two songs on the mages in the backline at lvl 55 for the same thing we've been doing since 41. In any case, you probably havent noticed, but we came into agreement on this forum that its best for BRD and RDM to coexist.

Yeah, over powered in soloing, cant deny it. But you're trying to make that a bad thing ^.^ Nice try. Oh, and 2hr, Soul Voice... Look at the words "Two" and "Hour" You can only have an uber song once every two hours, so why waste it on a buff that can run out.....

over powered in spells compared to a Bard not quite

Firstly, BRD and RDM get different spell list. Someone pointed out to me when I was being quite noobish (just like you) that the only similarities are the Dispel song and assorted Enfeebles. Basically at that point, BRD and RDM cease to duplicate.

Please dont try to flame in my post unless you know something. I personally enjoy getting put down, makes me smarter... So anyone care to comment, possibly something I screwed up again? ;.;

[Darkedge]

I don't really want to step into a n00b arguement, but RDM and BRD Dispell, well they're different elements, so against certain monsters RDM or BRD will most definitely be more effective. Also, their Recast timers are different, IIRC RDM can cast Dispel more often. Akiro, you've claimed to have leveled RDM to 55, how often have you partied with Bards? BRD can buff up party better than an RDM, although RDM+BRD+WHM is a very nice and safe backline for exp...

[Damane]

brd buff up master! Rdm Debuff master and enfeebling master. For buff ups I would allways take a brd over a rdm

[WishMaster3K]

Originally posted by Damane
brd buff up master! Rdm Debuff master and enfeebling master. For buff ups I would allways take a brd over a rdm

100% Agreed. Nothing is better than a BRD that unuderstands that you can cast different songs on the front and backlines. Just me, personally, but as a melee, I'd like an Accuracy song and an attack song (hell, maybe even two accuracy songs) and as a RDM (well, as a TARU RDM) I'd like Mages Ballad and that song that raises MND. Or hell, why not stacking two MND songs? ^.^ Its the versaility of BRD that I like. OF Course, at lvl 50, i can sub it and be an official Refresh Monkey, but [no thanks, i'll have to pass]

[Ashn]

I love Phalanx. One time around level 45-50 in Dunes I was pissed because VE hadn't spawned for like 6 hours, so I trained every damselfly in the zone that I could find. Like 30-40 of them swarming me. I had phalanx up and took no damage, but as soon as it dropped, my HP dropped quick. It's cool how much difference Phalanx makes with the "Too weak" mobs.

Really, though, what I like about Phalanx these days is that it really helps soloing Tough mobs for skillups. I've only done robber crabs, knight crawlers and crawler hunters and helm beetles so far. I haven't worked up the courage to do any of the "hard" mobs yet ^^ Heck, just doing these "easy" type mobs (that everyone exps on) has made my LS think i'm a crazy Taru ^^

[Silverquick]

What I notice generally,

1. Groups prefer both to one over the other.

2. When one is prefered over the other... it depends on class.

a) Plds generally prefer an Rdm, the Bard song due to location of the Pld in most combat means the Bards doesn't get a chance to keep the MP regen song up on him.Some Plds will turn down a Bard Party in favor of an Rdm one just for that reason. Plus enfeebling the mob means the Pld doesn't get beat on as hard.

b) DDs always and nearly without exception prefer Bards. Their main reason is the accuracy and attack bonuses. Rdms have little to offer most DDs except for Haste. Bards have a whole host of songs designed at increasing their accuracy and attack. The only thing the Rdm can offer here is Haste and Dispel.

c) Casters want both... no distinctions between the two here with the exception of Whms who like the back up heals and enfeebles rdms can provide. Blms may lean to the Bard due to the Elemental Weakness Debuffs of the Bard. Still in the end... its a push among these classes. Casters like them both the same.

These are general perceptions... but now you know who feels what towards Bards and Rdms generally.

And the attitudes are strong.

[Akiro]

I quit bard now due to updates, Valor Minuet will not be effecting Ranged Atk so whats the point of having a ranger and a bard together if you songs cant really help then except of course with prelud

[Prefect]

Originally posted by Akiro
I quit bard now due to updates, Valor Minuet will not be effecting Ranged Atk so whats the point of having a ranger and a bard together if you songs cant really help then except of course with prelud

That was a false rumor. Minuet still boosts Ranged Attack.

[Dalton]

Sorry, i cant understand the train of thought here, what with the bad grammer and such. I think you kinda contadicted yourself...

You should acknowledge that the word is "grammar" not "grammer" before you insult someone's english. And of course, you contRadicted yourself with your poor puncuation.

You still get points for trying, though.

[Kiaza]

Dalton:
You should acknowledge that the word is "grammar" not "grammer" before you insult someone's english. And of course, you contRadicted yourself with your poor puncuation.

Not to be nit-picky but its "punctuation." :p

[Akiro]

This isn't a spelling contest.