SATA --> rdm

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

hmmm i was chating about spinning slash the other day with one of my friends and he said you can SATA spinning slash the rdm if the other melee didnt get the hate

is that true? any high lv rdm can confrim this :sweat: ?

i think maybe its ok if the pt was sure the mob will die after my ws but what if the mob didnt die ;; any rdm tricked by thf or drk SATA before !? what do think :confused:

[Altruist]

I'm sure stoneskin could take a few hits with phalanx up, but I would tell the rdm what I'm doing first. But shouldn't you have a trick budy? Sounds more like an issue between the tank and your trick budy then anything else.

[Jinxie]

In xp parties, I've been tricked off of a couple of times, but since the hate needs to be kept by the PLD, the thfs usually trick off them. If hate isn't being held very well by a melee, I'm usually glad to be a SATA partner. In other types of parties, skillups, key hunts, quest, missions, etc...I have been tricked off of numerous times. When I go farming with my THF friend, I am the tank and trick partner, so it doesn't really matter then. RDMs can definitely handle being a SATA partner, better than most jobs in fact, but it's not really good for an xp party as a whole.

[DM337]

If the RDM has Blink up, then he could last a little bit. I've found that even with Phalanx and Stoneskin (and near capped Enhancing) I can only take 2-3 hits from an IT monster, but Blink can stretch that out to about 5 hits before I'm screwed.

[Snafu-SI]

I was a theif's SATA partner once in Kuftal Tunnel fighting Robber Crabs., before he had done so though, he told me so, so I was able to put up stoneskin+phalanx before he did so unless it was already still up from the last time.

Lets say out of 20 times we did it, the pld was able to keep hate on 18 of those occasions, I imagine it would be harder to do at higher lvls when they are doing even more damage. But it's doable.
:sweat:

[Vortech]

My question would be why bother SATA off the RDM when there are other melees around in the party?

[Discordian]

Because in a xp party a rdm has a very low hate generation compared to other jobs. I've been sneak+tricked one twice in a row without a problem. If we do get hate we have stoneskin, blink, and phalanx to absorb some hits while the Paladin gets it under control.

[Deodorant]

The highest lvl PT I've been trick buddy in was lvl ~70 in Dragon's Aery. Had a ghetto PT setup of PLD DRK THF, and the renkei was thf sata me --> drk sata pld --> pld ws, for distortion --> dark (can't remember exact renkei's used).

Actually worked pretty damn well, stoneskin + blink kept me safe long enough for drk to put hate back on the pld with no problems; the only time I actually took damage was from a spider sickle slash though ;3

But, I wouldn't want to be a regular trick buddy, if only because the rdm job is busy enough as is without having to stoneskin/blink, run to the frontlines, get tricked, run back to the backlines, etc etc. Especially if you have to time your runs with a Bard's songs.

[Vortech]

Interesting.. nobody ever asked me to be a SATA partner once. Tho right now I am under armored due to my RSE.. My rdm is 42 atm.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?44944 RDM profile

[tdh]

That's an interesting idea. But honestly, it would probably work pretty well.

DRK PLD - mob - RDM - THF

Hell, the RDM wouldn't even be required to draw their weapon for this to work out. And just Blink or Stoneskin would do the trick wouldn't it? Just hope the DRK doesn't miss with Trick. Then again, DRK damage + PLD damage & Provoke would get the job done.

[kumaeru]

From 65-70 there has been quite a few times where I didnt SATA on other melee. Usually it was because the other melee was a Rng. Rng generate a ton of hate and the excess hate (even when doing renkei) is too much, even if they have Rng/Nin with Utsusemi they take a lot.

Doing SATA on a Rdm (which has to know that he is the sata partner and is skined/blinked/phalanxed) can be nice.

However I dont see it to be a problem at lvl 70+ because of the pure power of Renkei + Burst.

With TP, and a Blm ready with Firega3 the mob should be dead or very close to death after the renkei/burst. A fight can last about 10seconds with a good renkei and burst.

[sushicide]

My old(and odd) static had a thf and a drk, half of the time it's either me or the bard had to use stoneskin to be the trick dummy.

[Faust]

Dunno how much this could change as I lvl higher (although sounds like it's still a viable tactic), but a party I was in while exping in Altep did real well while I was THF's SATA partner.

Blink/Regen/Drain kept me up and and I only got hate during the first SATA. If thf pulled a second SATA, the PLD (and later on WAR) was able to keep hate each time.

[lacrolix]

during a coffer key/skill up pt. I was a trick partner for the THF. the Skillchain the pt had set was Distortion. I needed MP for the Burst so I tossed up Stoneskin and Blink and just happened to Convert right as the THF started his macro for SA+TA+VB. needless to say the mob ignored me and I had the MP to burst off of Distortion that I needed. I did give the THF in our pt a heart attack and scared the rest