Rdm Vs. Ninja (Which one can solo better)

[Digital]

Originally posted by Mikasa
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The problem with RDM is that they are all defense and no offense.

Blink, Stoneskin etc.... are all defensive boosts which allow the fight to continue very long against mindless mobs.

However, in a fight, when anyone sees you getting ready for your III series spells, an immediate bash or stun is used. Your Blinks are irrelevant, and can be handled with poisons/regular hits.

The problem RDM has in PvP is that they can't do any damage without their insanely long casting time spells, in which its like they're just saying "OK, here come a big attack now, get ready."

A DRK or WAR on the other hand, can break out a weapon skill that can do 1000 damage with no warning at all.

However, a RDM is perhaps the best job for soloing NMs, no doubt about that.

But RDMs can only do well in Ballista against non-magic users.
Once a RDMs blinks and stoneskin can be taken care of with poison, they are not very good 1vs1.

That's why you put the target to sleep before you cast spells with a long cast time. And unless the RDM is really off his game that WAR or DRK will never be in range for a WS, especially the WAR. And the amount of time between a WAR/NINs hits and a DRKs are plenty of time to sleep and run. And even if we are poisoned, the only way you can keep us still is bind, and you can easily be slept by the time you make it to the RDM.

[Apple Pie]

1,000 dmg with Guillotine?

Hmm... I've never seen it although I've joined in Ballista a lot of times. There are a lot of, what we call, "Haijin (廃人)" with gourgeous gears here on Gilgamesh but the highest dmg I [LV65 RDM] got from DRK75's Guillotine was only 458 dmg. Not enough to kill a tiny taru RDM.

As far as I know, there's almost none of them using Scythe. Almost all of them sub NIN and equip either 1H sword + 1H axe or 1H axe + 1H axe. Rampage and Vorpal Blade with dual wielding are common weapon skills and they seem to do better than Guillotine according to my experience.

Well, 1 on 1 duel don't usually happen because it's a group fight. However, smart RDMs never allow enemies to come close. Check what two spells commonly used are.

[Mikasa]

Originally posted by Digital


That's why you put the target to sleep before you cast spells with a long cast time. And unless the RDM is really off his game that WAR or DRK will never be in range for a WS, especially the WAR. And the amount of time between a WAR/NINs hits and a DRKs are plenty of time to sleep and run. And even if we are poisoned, the only way you can keep us still is bind, and you can easily be slept by the time you make it to the RDM.

what you keep forgetting is that DRKs not only have sleep and bind, but Stun as well.

You keep thinking you are the only ones with sleep and bind.

So then it becomes a battle of sleep+bind+attack until someone wears the other person down.

Perhaps after you level up some more you will understand what
I'm saying.

[Digital]

Originally posted by Mikasa


what you keep forgetting is that DRKs not only have sleep and bind, but Stun as well.

You keep thinking you are the only ones with sleep and bind.

So then it becomes a battle of sleep+bind+attack until someone wears the other person down.

Perhaps after you level up some more you will understand what
I'm saying.

Oh, you showed me, I'm not as high as you, so I must be wrong.

Listen, and maybe you'll learn. Whatever you decide to cast first, I don't care what it is, will be blinked away. And if you use poison to get rid of blink, well, now you can't sleep the RDM. After your spell is blinked away, its as simple as sleeping you before you get the chance to sleep us. And while you're talking about what people forgot, how about you remember the spell Silence. Now you're not only getting nuked and then slept right after, you're bound in place and can't retaliate with any sort of magic.

[Apple Pie]

The problem RDM has in PvP is that they can't do any damage without their insanely long casting time spells, in which its like they're just saying "OK, here come a big attack now, get ready."

Well, how long do you think it takes LV75 RDM with Warlock's Chapeau to cast Thunder III? It's only 5.4 seconds and 3.15 seconds faster than one swing of Death Sythe +1. That's why there's almost no dark knights with Sythe as I mentioned because if you use Sythe, you just give mages free chances to nuke. You should know even RDM's C+ rated elemental spells are hardly resisted against those at the same LV unless they have corresponding Bar- spells/Carol songs or boost their elemental resists with their gears.

Then, how long it takes you to reuse Weapon Bash or recast Stun? It takes 300 seconds and 45 seconds respectively. How many times do you think RDM can nuke then? Only a set of Thunder III, Blizzard III, and Fire III is enough to do 1,100+ damage in 15.2 seconds.

In addition, how long does it take for poison II to remove RDM's stoneskin that absorbs around 300 damage? Do you really know the highest slip damage of RDM with 298 enfeebling skill (slip damage is dependent on enfeebling skill.)? It's only 10HP/3sec and the effect only lasts 120 seconds. You should know LV75 RDM with the hat can recast stoneskin in 8 seconds and it's going to be 6 or 7 seconds with Haste on. When you do 0 damage because of stoneskin, you have no chance to build your TP. Drain absorbs 0HP.

As for Stun, 74 RDM/37 DRK has 9 seconds shorter (36 seconds) recasting time than that of 75 DRK due to "Fast Recast" ability (Fast Cast now affects recasting timer) and it can be 12 seconds shorter with Haste.

BTW, the most effective spell used on caster vs caster duel is, with no doubt, Silence. We hardly have chances to duel between casters but when it happens, we keep casting it until they use up all their Echo Drops. That's a dirty tactic and I don't usually do this unless they try to do it to me. I usually bring two dozens of Echo Drops but sometimes they are not enough.

Finally, I'm not trying to compare dark knights to red mages at all because our primary jobs in Ballista are different but what you stated above sounds like you know nothing of us. We're not what you've been seeing in your XP PT.

There are a lot of things we can do in Ballista and this is the real place we show our versatility. We can choose whatever sub-jobs we like depending on what we do. You know we can even do 600+ damage with RDM/RNG, Sidewinder + Barrage. It hardly misses targets although we have "D" for our Bow skill.

Anyway, we should stop talking something like, "which is stronger?" anymore.

[Apple Pie]

Oh, I forgot to say one thing.

Killing people isn't what we are only supposed to do over there. We have to get marks! If we're standing within 30m (how many feets?) from those who defeat our oponent, we're also in the state of "Gate Breach."

The problem of San d'Oria in Gilgamesh is there are a lot of frontliners only concentrating on killing others... We lack both BLM and RDM. The ratio between melee and caster is something like 7:3 compared to 5:5 of Bastok and 4:6 of Windurst.

Windurst is the strongest and we're the weakest. O.......rz We know why...

[Deodorant]

Mikasa is one of those typical stubborn, elvaan, 'my drk is better than you, whatever you say is pointless because I won't listen' people If I were you I'd just ignore his ironic and ignorant posts

[Apple Pie]

Oh, I didn't know that... ＿|￣|○

So sounds like I should take another movie in Ballista It may be a little hard since it's very laggy. Well, the problem is by the time I ask them to duel, I've been chased by a lot of Elvaans and Galkas ;_;

I'll stop posting on this thread anyway.

[Mikasa]

Originally posted by Deodorant
Mikasa is one of those typical stubborn, elvaan, 'my drk is better than you, whatever you say is pointless because I won't listen' people If I were you I'd just ignore his ironic and ignorant posts

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[Patchinko]

Doesn't high MND influence sleep resist (or is that INT...)? If so, I'd imagine Sleep from someone of the same lvl would be kind of hit or miss against a well equipped RDM unless the DRK has a lot of INT+ gear.

In addition, it's nothing a Poison Potion won't "cure," right? It may sound strange, but capless Ballista inventories are filled with Echo Drops, Poison Potions, Icarus Wings and so forth, as I understand it. Would make it far more interesting at least.^^

I haven't done Ballista, but I'm considering joining in on a 50 cap.

Grendel>> Do you have a video of you in Ballista?

[EtRNaL168]

LoLz... _(._.)_ can we stay on topic please? ^^"

-Etrnal

[DrSerpico]

OH noes!

Oh my mikasa, she critizised you, better report her FAST!

Have you ever been in ballista or even SEEN a lengthy video of what is happening? if your levels are even close to eachother, sleep lands. I land debuffs reliably as soon as the mob slips from IT to VT. Against EM I can pick anything I want and land it.

So the thing is, to land stuff, you have to deblink the target. Deblinking it is done by fast repetitive attacks (mnk, definately NOT drk) or -ga line spells. Drk most oftenly use poisonga to deblink. The cast time for rdm on poisonga, should he choose to use it, is ALWAYS 40% faster than yours.

Now you'r deblinked before he is, and he's already casting sleep. Sorry to say, you won't have enough time to stun before you're sound asleep.

The way ballista works is blm, rng and rdm mainly, not exclusively though, disable a target... THEN the heavy hitters take their shot. Drk, rng, blm. Or while you're asleep, how about sneak+dragonkick from behind? Bind and sleep. Those and the shadow games are what ballista is about.

So theorize how much you want. Report anyone who disagrees. It's still all about bind, sleep and blink. And fast cast puts you behind. Thoughts or comments?

[Sindinista]

This reminds me of a little competition me and a friend were talkinb about having. RDM/BLM versus WAR/NIN. Now of course I would absolutely destroy him, that's not my question. I was wondering, does Dispel work on Utusemi?

[Chucklez_1]

Nah I don't think so. While camping ninja birds for coffer keys long time ago, I used to cast dispel to remove utsusemi w/o any luck at all. Might be different for ballista.

As for rdms in ballista...no one really talked about gravity sure Sleep is the preferale choice...but not when their Doted by some dude using diaga or poisonga. When all else fails...Gravity is your friend except for sneaky rangers :mad:

[Apple Pie]

Check what two spells commonly used are.

Quoting what I said on this thread, they are Bind and Glavity as a matter of fact.

On Ballista matches with no LV restriction, most of them use poison portions and Sleep spells are not always mighty. However, even LV65 RDM's Bind and Glavity are hardly resisted by LV75 players.

Bind / Glavity -> Gang-bang. This is the basic tactic.

As for dispeling Utsusemi, no, it's not a -ga spell and we need to cast it three or four times to remove Utsusemi I or II.

Patchinko, it is very hard to take movies because of severe lag there. I may be able to go there just as a movie director but I don't want to annoy them...

Well, I'm going to join in the one vs Bastok at 22:33 (JPT) and trying to get one today if I'm able to finish Genkai 4 quest before then. I'm 2,600 xp TNL (LV66) but just found I hadn't finished the quest yet. O...rz