Help needed...i think my Hume might have to die

[Pilsbane]

There is no one best race for Redmage. The job is so flexible that each race brings different virtues to the job. I've played 56 levels of Redmage as a Hume and if I were to do it again I would pick Hume again without a second thought.

I have NEVER had a group wipeout due to having a slightly lower MP total in comparison to a Tarutaru, but I have lived and saved the group with less than 100 hp when a Tarutaru would have died in the same situation.

[Chucklez_1]

tarus gets away w/ spending a lot of money...sigh. Buying MP+ equipment is a total pain in the rear end :mad:

[Shiia]

Exactly... mp is the only issue to me. God wish I could Aspir my whm friend since he has 230 more MP than me and he is 4 lvls lower...

[Elusivellama]

Anyways, I never said that you would fail at being a rdm if you weren't a taru. All I meant was that you'd have a much easier time at it, seeing as you'd be able to buy the *much* cheaper +mnd and sortof cheaper +int gear instead of having to buy all the expensive +mp gears. At all times, though, a taru *will* have more mp than you. That's just facts, ladys and gentlemen.

As has been stated many times - taru's make the best mages. It's plain and simple ladys and gentlemen. Argue all you want, it won't change the simple fact that more mp = good.

You're stating the obvious. We high level Hume RDMs are stating the not-so-obvious, which was the original point of this thread.

Obvious: Tarus make best mages. Well, yeah, doesn't everyone know this? This is why you see so many midget mages running around.

Not-so-obvious: Humes still excel at RDM, despite Tarus being the best mages. Mithra too, since their MP, INT and HP are so similar, just that MIND is only 3 points less. There's a difference between being gimped and second place, which was not so obvious to the original poster.

If you've sat through the opening animations of character creation and seen how the Taru were portrayed, and if you gave a whit about your appearance, then you'd never have picked Taru in the first place (unless you really DO go for the cutesy-wutesy cuddly-wuddly carebeary-weary looky-wooky).

There are disadvantages of Taru which I did not want to deal with, such as..

- appearance (ridiculously short, ridiculously cute, not my cup of tea)

- hit points (next time a hellmine or something blows up on your party, you can definitely tell who is Taru, and who isn't)

Do they outweigh the Taru advantages? No, I'd love the extra mp and int, but I'm not a statwhore...I'm willing to take second place and *still* be an excellent RDM, if only to avoid being Taru.

[Discordian]

This goes back to a couple players that joined the game back in november and I still have people ask me this "What job and race should I be?". Well there's plenty of info in the stickies in the forum. Figure out what you really want to be some people go taru for the high mp and int, no problem with that. Others do hume/mithra and go for a high balance across jobs. Still others do Elvaan because they like the look and the high mnd.

How you look is also important as you will be looking at your character whenever you are moving around or doing something. If you don't like it don't take it. I don't like tarutaru for its overcute nature, doesn't work for me and gives me goose bumps. Also annoys me when I get the excuse "But I'm cute".

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by Elusivellama


You're stating the obvious. We high level Hume RDMs are stating the not-so-obvious, which was the original point of this thread.

Obvious: Tarus make best mages. Well, yeah, doesn't everyone know this? This is why you see so many midget mages running around.

Not-so-obvious: Humes still excel at RDM, despite Tarus being the best mages. Mithra too, since their MP, INT and HP are so similar, just that MIND is only 3 points less. There's a difference between being gimped and second place, which was not so obvious to the original poster.

If you've sat through the opening animations of character creation and seen how the Taru were portrayed, and if you gave a whit about your appearance, then you'd never have picked Taru in the first place (unless you really DO go for the cutesy-wutesy cuddly-wuddly carebeary-weary looky-wooky).

There are disadvantages of Taru which I did not want to deal with, such as..

- appearance (ridiculously short, ridiculously cute, not my cup of tea)

- hit points (next time a hellmine or something blows up on your party, you can definitely tell who is Taru, and who isn't)

Do they outweigh the Taru advantages? No, I'd love the extra mp and int, but I'm not a statwhore...I'm willing to take second place and *still* be an excellent RDM, if only to avoid being Taru.

That's why in an alliance of 18 people, all from lv60 to 73, doing ZM5, fighting a bomb in ifrit's cauldron, it's explosion killed 8 people, and not one was a taru (8 of the people in the party were taru's, all were within bomb blast range). All the dead people were elvaan/hume's, actually. Things like that are entirely random. Besides, any mage worth his spot in the party knows that fighting bombs = stoneskin. I took a whopping 18 damage from that bomb. Uh oh, I'm really in trouble now...

As far as choosing your character based on appearance...I don't really care. For a long time I didn't like taru's, but to be honest, I don't give a crap. Elvaan's look like doof's when they cast, hume's look boring, and I couldn't stand playing a female character. That's my opinion, but I like my taru. The cuteness is annoying (I dread going to windurst and reading -taru after everything...almost makes me want to quit), but I really like the fact that I'm like a miniture sized can of Family-value Whoop-Ass. I particularly enjoy killing giants in delkfurt's tower. It just cracks me up that I kill things that are like 800 times my size.


As far as having less hp...anyone who thinks that HP matters for anything but the tank hasn't really been paying much attention to this game...lol. Especially for mages - stoneskin makes it so you just don't take any damage in the first place...so having more hp really isn't useful at all...

[Altruist]

The difference between taru and non-taru on hnm is most evident when all the mages get hit twice in a row. At that point you hare happy as hell that you have a non-taru whm with Raise III, because sometimes your blink+stoneskin is gone before recast and you get hit hard. 200hp makes a difference. (KB, Bomb Queen, fafnir, are all very good at killing mages, especially taru) At the same point 200mp makes a difference in exp PT.

But for the most part it doesn't make any difference what race you pick, taru have a lot of int and mp, but for blm you still all have the same elem skill > a hell of a lot of int. For rdm you need a lot of mind and a lot of int, elvaan can land things taru's simply can't, they can make things actually slower, and their stone skin takes more damage. I know sometimes when I can't stick a mind based enfeeble with + 28 mind as a hume I know an elvaan could stick it if they didnt' skimp on gear.

As a hume I have flexibility, I can bring my convert ratio to almost 1:1, or I can beef up my hp when I know that I'm going to get hit hard. Few races have that fexibility.

[Mantronic]

well guys i have to jump in on this because the bias is so rediculous it made me sick.

best mage's are taru that is a fact. any other race can play a mage but you spend your gil on mp items yes even freaking galkans.

taru melee's damage wise are maybe 5-10 points different than an equal melee same job same lvl same sub job. i have played beastmaster whitemage up to 50 and blm up to 32 i am currently grinding my rdm because my LS needs a full time refresher and they picked me. Playing as beastmaster teaches you alot about how damage is done in this game, as a taru i spend extra cash on +1 weapons and keep up todate with weapons but in a beastmaster party elvaan mithra taru hume damage was at most 5-10 less than elvaans but i connected more often because i invested in accuracy gear where the elvaan didnt invest in any gear at lvl 50 when i did this party i had +23 accuracy he had +20 something attack bonus and he would miss one out of 3 attacks where i missed 1 out of 10 attacks who did better damage. we had a terrible bst moment where we got an elemental attacking our ass it killed all 4 of us at the same time even though the elvaan has 200 more hp that me as a taru when you are fighting monsters in certain place doesnt matter if you are taru or galkan it matters how you play your freaking job that matters.......

now back on topic i have played with galkan elvaan hume mithra rdms with my lvl 50 whm and the difference was how much mp gear they had galkan has 2 astral rings and full rse and had almost the same mp as the elvaan that didnt have his rse on anymore, ignorance is not an excuse if you dont like taru cause they are small dont nock on them fact is fact opinion is well just that if you think something sucks dont comment on it nobody needs to hear dribble coming from anyone that x race sucks because xxx reason you give facts to people x race is good for x reason but xx race is just as good but you have to compensate with xxx items.....

[goyagokou]

The whole 8 people diying from bomb blasts were, either mages who didn't stoneskin or meeles, I know after fighting Bombs for Genki 1 a few times and RDM AF3 where you can take 600+ dmg i always put stoneskin and almost take no damage, so tarus don't magically take less damage off bomb blast compared to elevans or Humes. I saw when leveling my Rdm in Xacardad right near Castle baliey a lvl75 blm taru getting hit from 2 demons and without stoneskin on lost 20% of his HP in 2 hits from the demons (So he zoned the 2 demons in my camp spot and almost got me killed since i already killed two other demons and had no HP or Mp left). So tarus from lvl1 to 75 wound easily then other races, unless there buff themselves. (I deleved when i was in Gustav cave when i met the freindly lvl80 dragon HNM Bune, i took about 3 hits survived with 85 HP( he attacked me again and i tanked it for a good 10 secs with 61 rdm with lvl9 theif sub, and of course i died.), while the lvl70+ Rdm Taru died in 2 hits instantly.)

My race may not have as much MP as
yours but we are usually standing after
a tough fight where you will get hit hard.

Also taru Plaldins can be good, but most are not from what i met, a Pld i PT with couldn't handle some mobs in Boyhadda tree and the Drk and drg had to tank it for a while. While another pld a JP did very well but had every Vit+ thing even Earth staff. But at the same way a Galka with the same equiptment would outclass the taru because he can just take more hits, more effictively.

[Solistam]

All I can do to chime in is say, from experience, that with us RDMs, MP is only half the battle. Once I cleared 40, even as an elvaan, MP was never an issue again. Be you taru, hume, or even elvaan, good magery is all about the player.

[AtraposBLM]

About stoneskin and bombs and such - that's my point exactly. Maybe you could argue that taru MELEE's are weaker due to less hp (which is a weak arguement in the first place), but taru MAGES aren't noticeably weaker. Especially ones with phalanx, stoneskin, and blink. God forbid on that ONE occasion out of 350 exp mobs that the rdm gets hate...he still won't even take damage.

About tanking bune...A) I doubt it unless you had phalanx/stoneskin up, as the thing killed a lv60 mithra whm in about 2 hits...and B) if you and the rdm were to run away from bune...one of you would be dead on the spot (the one aggro'd first) and one of you would be dead like 30 feet away (the one not aggro'd first). Really not a big deal that you lived 3 seconds longer than a taru...

Also, again, things like that are entirely based on luck. I was mining in ifrits cauldron when I was lv45ish, and the friend I had with me was the same level. We get aggro from bombs...he dies in 2 hits, I die in 3. Regardless...we both died, and my extra hit didn't exactly help me. If I really wanted to, I could've popped off a manafonted warp or something....but again, my lack of hp would have had no bearing there either.

More hp is just about the WEAKEST excuse to pick a race for a mage job.

And as has been stated by rdm's before...refresh doesn't solve YOUR mp problems, it only excacerbates them. Just doing the refresh cycle uses up pretty much all the mp you would normally gain back from your refresh....so....yeah, that really solved your problems, right?

[Deodorant]

I find it amusing that everyone is, in essence, arguing the same points. Tarus are the best rdm's in level up parties, but the other races are only slightly inferior ... is what everyone is saying, pretty much ...

And as for Bune ... he kills me in 3 hits, 4 if I have stoneskin.

[bonovoxpsu]

this thread is hilarious

ok, obvious statement: taru mages are better then any other mage race. just a fact.

is the difference THAT noticable(sp)? up for debate there. all i'm saying is that if you HAVE to pick a race that's better suited for magic, its taru. that's all.

is race as important as subjob and good equipment? HELL NO.

enjoy. :spin:

[Discordian]

Constant refresh in a way solves MP problems because other jobs have no reason not to use that free 150 MP. I'll stop refreshing a blm or a paladin if they just arn't using much mp, I think any job will get in a routine where they feel secure and start slacking at some point.

[Altruist]

The point is that taru are not the best mages under all circumstances. They die easy, and they have low mind, paralyze and slow are the most used enfeeble spells, and you know what, elvaan kick ass at those. I can't cast silence on an amiran to save my life but a elvaan I was with was consistantly silencing them, quite honestly a taru would have no prayer doing that.

To say that taru are the best mages is to ignore that there are many other mage factors that they do horribly at. And quite honestly I like to see my pants