Help needed...i think my Hume might have to die

[Sketch]

Sorry guys, but Atrapos is on target way more than most of the people who play RDMs here.

1) Red mages are mages

2) Mages need MP

3) Convert is our most powerful ability

4) Tarus have the most MP

5) Tarus convert at a 1:1 HP<->MP ratio for the best efficiency *by far*

Sorry to burst your bubble; play whatever you want, but if you really want the best and most efficient, then Taru's where it's at. There really can't be any debating it.

You guys should stop digging on experienced players, especially mages. They could easily know a lot more than you even if they don't play RDM.

[Zempten]

Don't forget about Aspir ^^ It defently helps ^^

[Chucklez_1]

Taru is nice to be if you want to be a red mage but the one main advantage humes have over tarus is their ability to switch to any job and still be good at it. Also, humes can solo more efficiently than tarus (and don't tell me otherwise, humes can wear farming equipments just like tarus)

I myself don't have much trouble w/ mp. With a configuration of a rdm + brd (me = main healer in spt), I only use convert probably once every half an hour. I do have 590 mp and 600 if I ever get my AF gloves at lvl 59. The thing is, tarus becomes more flexible with equipment since they already have a higher mp. I have to spend more money on MP boosting equipments than a taru taru. Plus, I have to sacrifice some AF pieces for extra MP.

I do sometimes regret that I deleted my taru rdm for my hume rdm. I mean c'mon...who doesn't like a panic dance when you're in times of trouble? And they're just so darn cute. But then again, I didn't like the fact that they were REALLY small (they're 2 pixels in the ps2 ) and that my equipment won't really show.

ANYWAY, tarus are better because of their higher mp...but most likely you'll always end up being the support member in the group. Therefore, MP might not be a huge issue.

[Aurege]

Originally posted by ifandbut
AtraposBLM, my idea of someone knowing how a job works is someone actualy playing the job for several levels. I dont claim to know how a BLM works because my BLM is only lev 4, and it was leveled by a frend who wanted to try FFXI. The same goed for WAR, BST, THF, and some what WHM even tho it is my sub.

thats not even the same damn situation as Atropos....

[Elusivellama]

I just know that I do not regret deleting my Taru and remaking a Hume RDM. The MP and int of Taru is very nice, but it wasn't worth being a Taru.

I specifically did not go WHM or BLM because I was Hume, and rather went RDM instead based on what I read on the forums. And it all turned out to be right...I can do my duties as a Hume RDM and use Convert as needed to replenish my mp bar. I can feel proud of the way my character looks while still doing an excellent job of being a RDM**

And as Hume, I have the advantage to be any job and not suck terribly at it. It's a subtle advantage, but it really pays off in the end. This advantage does not make me a better mage than a Taru, obviously, but it does make me more suited for the other jobs out there if I choose to play them.

**Mage powergamers will disagree and go straight for Taru, and pump up the stats so they can pull off uber damage spells and pwnz the monsters. Well, if they're having fun, then that's ok, just as long as they don't go around putting other people down because they're not 1337 statwhores like they are.

[ifandbut]

Ummmm.....Aurege, How was what I said "not even the same damn situation as Atropos":confused:

[goyagokou]

Humes can still play the job of Red mage effectively, if you want to go Taru good for you, but your race will be limited to more of a mage type class, while humes can both become good meeles and mages, im not going get 4 different accounts for every race and do, Taru Red Mage, Elevan Paladin, Mithiral Ranger, Galka Monk, because they race is good for those limited class while Humes are fair in all those classes and don't become weak with either a mage or meele class. thats the main reason i got Hume so i can go sam, drk later without worrying that i would suck, and not have to be a subpar Taru drk cause i like a lot of Mp;p and looking small and cute. Unless you are going be a mage forever then go Taru, if you want to go around and do some fun stuff with all the classes then go with Hume.

[Altruist]

In the not to distant future I will have 922hp and 823 mp as hume, I say that's a pretty good convert ratio.

astral apis +25
astral ring +25 (buying tonight)
serket ring +50 (should have in a month)
death earring +10
ocean belt + 45
Marine M Gloves +35 (doing bcnm this week)
phantom tathlum +8
AF hat +20
AF body +14
custom slacks +32
Ogre ledelsens +13
base mp 546

[AtraposBLM]

I can't believe I'm being questioned by a lv31...

Anyways, I never said that you would fail at being a rdm if you weren't a taru. All I meant was that you'd have a much easier time at it, seeing as you'd be able to buy the *much* cheaper +mnd and sortof cheaper +int gear instead of having to buy all the expensive +mp gears. At all times, though, a taru *will* have more mp than you. That's just facts, ladys and gentlemen.


As has been stated many times - taru's make the best mages. It's plain and simple ladys and gentlemen. Argue all you want, it won't change the simple fact that more mp = good.

Does that mean non-taru mages are useless? NO! If you don't want to be a taru, by all means, pick whatever race you want. Just be aware of the fact that you have to compensate. Whereas a taru would not.

It's the same as the arguement against taru melee - they work, they just can't ever afford to skimp on equipment.

People say that Taru Pld's don't work because they have low VIT and low HP. My friend Hamasaki (lv64) has 61 vit (+25 from gear). A hume pld (lv64) has 64 vit (this particular one had +13 from gear). At the same time, the hume pld had ~220ish mp, whereas the taru pld had ~400something. Both work perfectly fine, just require slightly different playing styles.


Same story here. If you pick a taru, you're given more room to mess around - that is, you could haste everyone, refresh everyone, and keep up enfeebles, and still have MP left over for dealing with adds, etc. As any other race, you have to be more careful in how you use your mp. Conserve MP and Aspir only go so far, and believe me, there are plenty of times where you'll wish you had 1-200 more mp before your convert timer refreshed.

Oh, and currently, just for shits and giggles, I'm at 940 mp. A hume blm is at 770ish. That's not a *small* difference we're talking about.

[ifandbut]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
I can't believe I'm being questioned by a lv31...

Well.....sorry about you not getting what you expect.
I love to question those that are higher up, its a hobby of mine

The point that I have been trying to make is: "You dont know how a class works untill you spent a decent about of time working on that class."

[goyagokou]

Person lvl really doesn't matter when they ask a good question, now if they talk of how a lvl 60 blm should fight, then maybe you have a point. I haven't tryed leveling in a month, thats the reason my sub is under levled, busy farming and getting AF and helping people. One should play this game for fun not to try to get to lvl75 the fastest and feel all tEh Uber over others. :spin: Battila is Fun lol spent this week playing it.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by ifandbut


Well.....sorry about you not getting what you expect.
I love to question those that are higher up, its a hobby of mine

The point that I have been trying to make is: "You dont know how a class works untill you spent a decent about of time working on that class."

does the fact that red mages my level are agreeing with me mean anything to you? I don't claim to know as much about the class as red mages my level, but I know enough to comment on what race makes the best rdm. I've partied with different races, and I'm not so stupid that I can't compare a well-played Elvaan rdm and a well played Taru. Taru's are better, and that's the bottom line. But that's like saying galka's make the best monks. Yeah, they do, but other races can play the job fine as well.

Seriously though, playing a taru gets you free mp. At what cost? HP. How is that bad, again? Don't tell me stats are of big importantance, because not only do they not mean as much, the variance between races is a LOT less than people make it out to be. For instance, a taru pld at lv64 has 61 vit. A hume pld at lv64 has 64 vit. Uh oh, that's huge. Nope. But the difference in hp/mp of both races is. That's why the taru requires a different playing style than a hume. With rdm, however, you don't gain anything by having more HP. Taru's will solo just as well as you, because you don't rely on your hp's, you relay on damage negation (just like a ninja), meaning, Phalanx, Stoneskin, and Blink. Oh, you might be able to take 1-3 more hits than a taru, but to be honest, it won't help you worth a shit. If you're taking damage that low on your health, chances are you're going to get interrupted and die anyways...so what difference does it make.

But blegh, who cares? Hate on taru's all you want, they're the best rdm's. Can other races play the job? Absolutely. Picking a taru isn't about being a stat whore, it's about not wanting to spend the majority of your time farming for MP gear when you could be leveling.

*EDIT*: Oh, and it wasn't the fact that you were questioning that pissed me off. It was the fact that you were questioning whether or not I had any right to answer your questions. That's what pissed me off.

[Uroboros]

Couple things:

From ifandbut:

AtraposBLM, my idea of someone knowing how a job works is someone actualy playing the job for several levels. I dont claim to know how a BLM works because my BLM is only lev 4, and it was leveled by a frend who wanted to try FFXI. The same goed for WAR, BST, THF, and some what WHM even tho it is my sub.

Um, what does "several" levels mean? An RDM isn't even an RDM until lv41+, before then it's just kind of bad. There is nothing you can do before then that someone else can't do better. Enfeebling cap differences don't matter yet, any melee beats you, you can't outnuke a BLM or outheal a WHM. So someone at lv39 would definitely have played RDM for "several" levels and still not know a thing about what the job does, because they don't do it yet.

Also, Atrapos mentioend hume RSE being good in 30s and 40s - plenty good past that too. Bigger MP and mage stat bonuses than AF, for legs and feet at least. And defense matters about as much as HP for an RDM, which is to say, it doesn't.

The only exception I take is to the tone a few have taken that seems to imply hume RDM is gimped. I have plenty of MP to take me from one Convert to another, while still having a spare 100-120 at the end for emergencies, which is all you really have to shoot for. At the end I dump out that extra 100 on whatever I can, buffs, starting the next Refresh cycle, whatever, and Convert. Yeah, I have to watch it more than a Taru throwing out whatever he wants, but I don't honestly have to guage it that much. Maybe if I was Elvaan or Galkan, in which case I'd probably pull some of my hair out. But I make it just fine.

Honestly I feel much more of a strain when leveling BLM sub. I spend large portions of time feeling worthless. Even with good gear and good food I don't feel as effective as a half-ass Taru BLM sometimes. They just totally own that job.

[Beener]

Lies. The most important thing to being a good mage is not race.

Again, the best part of being a good mage is BEING A GOOD MAGE.

For example, there's a taru on my server i play with somewhat often, he's 61 RDM and 61 WHM

He is god awful at handling his MP. Considering he has 850+ as WHM, he runs out way too often.

There are great elvaan redmages, there are terrible taru redmages.

You can have all the inflated stats you want, if you are a good player you'll do just fine as a RDM hume.

[ifandbut]

Uroboros you are right....I am not 41 yet so I dont know how the whole refesh thing works. In fact I just started leving my RDM again tonight after about 2-3 weeks of inactivity. But....I dont know.....I chose elvaan because I like the mytholigy behind them and I chose RDM becaus I allways saw my self casting spells and running up to a weakened enmeny and dealing the last blow.

I'm done arguing....that is just my my ideal about understanding. Thats all it is...an ideal....may not be your ideal but it is mine...and no one can change that.