RDM animosity ----> people that hate us RDMs

[Kiyotaka]

i know some people in my linkshell
(my LS is split into technically 2 factions)

they HATE rdms
exact words were:

"Red Mages are squares trying to fit into triangles"

"He's right, Red mages think theyre the best at everything"

<Hyure> <------ offended

ALso another person said that BLM is better than RDM in BCNM40!!!
now thats messed up

the reasons for BLMs better than RDM:
> Backup sleep
> backup healing
> more MP

counter arguments by me:
> You dont need to backup sleep
> BLMs at lvl 40 cant sub and get cure3, which i think is very much needed in BCNM for healing the brd
> Convert
> debuffing the NM and better at it
> nuking is not for fights that require endurance and patience.
> better chance of silence with elemental seal and enfeeble skill


I mean, i just feel like they hate our guts, all of them

thats hella messed up, what do you guys think?

[jaby]

"He's right, Red mages think theyre the best at everything"
This is true, believe it or not. I'm sorry, enthunder does not counter a crappy damage output. Please, like the 20 million other theads, you're a mage. Not a Red Warrior.

I agree with you on the BCNM, tho. Good points.

[Beener]

uh, jaby...the original poster didn't say anything about enthunder OR damage output...so...

what's more, RDM aren't for damage output, so the small amount that we can sometimes add against mobs without AoE helps.

[Sithered]

BLM can't really vouch an argument against a RDM (and I am one also). Yea RDM debuffs better, and BLM nukes better. I've played the role of nuker before while a BLM played debuffer. Didn't work out as good. And as far as melee at higher levels, nah I'll just leave that to the wars and darks and rnagers etc. and sit back with the mages and tease the mob.

[Tulerin]

If you belong to a linkshell that wont let you tag along on bcnm's because you are a rdm, you are better off finding a linkshell that actually has a clue about the game heh.

I personally just ignore it then tell friends about them. Nice to pass along a "do not group with this incompetent twit" list to others. ^.^

I have met people who do not even bring a rdm to an avatar fight then I hear them cry about how it takes forever to get a debuff to stick on em lol.

[Bamce Sylph]

3 words,
elementals seal, sleepga

[Coinspinner]

My first encounter with BCNM 40... I used Elemental Seal and Sleepga. They woke up a minute or two later, interupted my cast and killed me. We were supposed to have two BLM to Sleepga in tandem. The second BLM neglected to tell us he didn't have Sleepga until after I died... I still think it wouldn't have worked.

[LegendaryFire]

Kiyotaka, you also forgot to point out the obvious. Refresh

[Kiyotaka]

You cant use refresh for BCNM40

[Echo]

Originally posted by Kiyotaka
You cant use refresh for BCNM40

Well, you sort of can...

Entering the burning circle doesn't wipe your buffs.

So, before entering, cast your highest level protects/shells/haste/refresh...

And then Enter.

If you do it right you will enter with full HP/MP (since the level cap will kick in) and refresh on for the first 2 minutes or so.

[Kiyotaka]

its technically useless because BCNM40 is a lot of patience, and our fastest record is at least 16-20 mins.

The only way you can use refresh through out the fight would be yagudo drink, but theyre freaking expensive, ill say get one for backup.

REAL STORY:
We were doing our 4th BCNM out of 5 before we go sell our stuff, then our samurai friend suddenly says "holy shit, brb"

my brd friend is then like "BRB?!!?"
then the rate of killing was a bit slower and blew some MP, so for insurance i used an yagudo drink. My samurai friend returns saying that he had to move some furniture and then apologizes, and almost immediately, my mnk friend DCs, he relogged in, and then continued.

If the brd DCs, we are in deep trouble, so a yagudo drink or 2 is pretty good hah

[Tulerin]

Some things just need to be done before bcnm's hehe.

[Kiyosuki]

The only people I've ever heard hate Red Mage are player's that think its the least seeked out caster after 40.

Which its not ofcourse...understatement.

I guess some player's think that Red Mages are trying to infringe on Whm or Blm territory all throughout the levels. I think thats misunderstanding the job completely because to me, Red Mages are a completely unique class that has its own specialty that neither of the mages can bring. Whm's and Blm's have specific uses themselves, after 40 though Red Mages are brought into parties for completely different reasons other than healing/casting usually.

Among the Whm's are healer's, Blm's are damager's, Rdm's are the mage that specializes in status. They just happen to also have a little bit of Blm and Whm capabilities as an added bonus. A good Red Mage after 40 can single handedly make a party flow 10 times better than before since those unique status enhancments and enfeebles start becoming so prolific. Plus convert makes you that much more flexible. I can't possibly see how any player of right mind can hate a Red Mage, they act as multi tasking mages that specialize in making your party perform twice as good as before, how can anyone hate that?

[Tulerin]

People are just jealous of rdm's after 40
Nothing like hearing someone say "I have been lfp for at least 5 hours and not one tell"
Then I take anon off and get a tell within 1 minute.

Just think of it this way: W/o a rdm or brd after 40 the group sucks. And I dont know about other servers, but finding a bard past 40 is quite the task....then finding one lfp is a whole nother story~ Groups cannot be efficient w/o a rdm or brd after 40, plain and simple. And saying otherwise is pure ignorance....well that and I guess some people are happy with the 1k per hour exp /shrug =p

[Aetheran]

Half of my parties have fallen apart because of no RDM or BRD. Even if there is a WHM, PLD, and WHM all seeking I don't ususally start a party unless I can get a RDM first.
Most Paladins I've invited usually ask "Do you have a RDM or BRD?" before they join. Don't be discouraged by early levels, because you're one of the most wanted classes higher up. And please take pity on those DRG and invite them ; ;