so many poor newb rangers ;;

[gau]

I think the main idea Crimespree is trying to get along is why play a job that you cant afford.

Say if you were a normal job say War and if you are having trouble keeping up to date gear for that then why would people become rangers and put them selfs under more finacial stress.


IMO if you cant afford to lvl a job dont play it ... its as simple as that.

[Kenki]

I think most jobs are expensive when you want to keep up-to-date equipments (not counting your 25/7 food eatting). Mages and rangers are the most expensive.

Not getting hate much is good but doing more damage per hit with higher accuracy and know how to control hate is better right?

I have been switching between iron and horn arrow. I always keep about 10 quivers ea, since I might get into a not-so-well party and getting lots of hate from using horn arrows. I really found that: Iron arrows are really bad to use. The damage is not really huge on ea normal attack but if you use warrior sub with berserk you will notice a huge different. WS and barrage will also shows some weakness using Iron arrows.

Using Horn arrows I will get arrgo in about 3~4 hits after 1 provoke but most of the time I slow my atk down a little bit to melee (some more TP nevers harm) and use barrage (and WS too if there is no SC) near the end or when the pld signal his Cover is ready~!

I don't think that top-of-the-line equipments are nessessary but you need some standard equipments. For example, Drone Earrings +3agi while the normal version is +2agi; some people think that getting the HQ for 200% higher in price is too much can just go with the normal one. I don't think there is any trouble with that (+4 and +6... hmm), you better get the normal one since it's better than not having any. Not having emperor hair pin is not a bad thing but not having your bow up-to-date is bad.

[FeralisCallidus]

(and you can always sell it back and recover your money - except with ammo, but ammo isnt tooo expensive...).

... Hahahahahaha.

Riight. I go through about 10k a level in arrows. Not expensive?

[Sinzer]

I don't think 10K a level is too expensive......

I level slowly anyway and usually fill my time up with other stuff.

Rangers may cost a lot but they are the best equipped for farming. I am quite happy to log on for an hour or two and farm during the week. I don't get a large amount of playtime weekdays anyway, so I tend not to group. I Look forward to being able to farm RNG\THF rather than THF\RNG due to the quick killing a RNG can do on weaks.

You can easily make enough in 2 hours of farming to keep you sweet for a couple of levels, the only time I am outta cash is when I invest it in tradeskills and I have to wait for all my goods to sell.

People just have to realise this is MMORPG of two games, the levelling game and the character game. It is not like other MMORPGs where you can make money while you level, you do one or other in this game.

[Trimpton]

10k? Thats cheap as hell.

If I want to leave for leveling it cost me around 22-26k if Iam out of supplies.

Thats food, blink powder, and enough scorp arrows to level bout once.

Mages spells are alot different, they buy one and use it till the end of the game. We use a arrow and its gone. No more return .. sure they buy a spell but they always use that same original scroll.

That atleast on my server my most recent bow cost 120k + 40k brig tunic add that with the cost of about every weekend I spend 22-26k .. no class will reach close...

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Its not that I think poor people shouldnt play rangers its that they need to learn they cant just mass level without farming. To play a ranger it will take you longer to level and cost you more time in farming but the end result is rare, compare 60+ rangers on your server to basically any other job. So no if you cant afford it dont play a ranger if you are not willing to invest the time into gear and supplies.

Ranger dmg is directly related to the gear the ranger is wearing.


I would also like to say Sinzer is very correct in saying there is no making money while leveling, they are seperate... they made the game knowing this designing NM in areas to ahrd for you to fight when leveling, etc. I personally think that sucks ^^

[FeralisCallidus]

I use enough arrows so that the tank can barely hold aggro, and if he is a paladin I exceed it late fight and take use of Cover.


Either you are missing a lot, or the Scorp arrows on your server are 75% more expensive than mine. =\

[Kenki]

only 10k? You hardly use anything -___-

I'm spending around 18~23k per level on food and arrows. I level up a Whm and Blm too and both of them spending much more than my ranger. Only 10k is not really a big deal, scorpion arrows are cheap, horns are a bit expensive but not really a huge money drainer only at your silver arrow using level (the using of silver and beetle arrows to switch between power) you really have to pay some money but not much anyway. Consider a pld who eat Fishkabobs every 30min you will see that his cost is no less than yours.

[Chisum]

Back in the latter part of my thieving days, after I decided to go ranger, but in the middle of Yhoator Jungle, I met a fellow thief.
Now this thief, a Taru, equal to my level, was worse than me in every way. He was wielding a Flame Sword versus my Federation Knife. He had no Leaping Boots, +2Dex rings, or serious stat boosting armor.
And the sunufagun did almost as much damage as me in sneak-trick. (Without Fast Blade)
I wept.
But this was a very good lesson: Gear doesnt matter half as much as you'd think. A little skimping when you just dont have the money (or in my case, time to farm) won't guarentee that you become a bloody pariah. I've got a decent reputation around Seraph, amongst the folks I leveled up with originally; they know I can do my job. Using level 14 arrows and Scale Armor not only saves me cash, but it works out quite well. There is no shortage of the hurt I can do.
And so far, in my Ranger career, I've been breaking even. Yes, thats right: Spending cash on arrows, gyshal greens (a quarter goes to the one who can spell that right), and the hiddeously overpriced Bow +1's--and I havent lost a gil.

Feralis, if you're that strapped for cash, then decide if you really need all those arrows. I still swing away with a Fire Sword after a few shots to tip the battle--hitting with a sword is quite another story, though. =P

[greysenn]

That would seem to argue the opposite chisum if he needed a 15 damage weapon to "almost" keep up with your 13 damage knife. Imagine what you would've been doing with say, a centurion sword or even a gladius.

Gear is important, there is no getting around it, even though there is a definete point of lessening returns. The trick is to find what works well without crippling yourself. I will still argue if people want to suck, thats thier buisness, but it also will become progressively harder for them to get groups.

[FeralisCallidus]

Here's why I only pay 10k for arrows:

I know some woodworkers here or there, and they are usually able to craft me Scorpion Arrows for about.. 66% of the AH price. So, instead of a stack running me 1500-1700 gil, it runs me about 1000gil.

Add that to a stack of Meat Miths per level (2200gil), you come out to about 12200.

Compared to 17200 if I didn't have a woodworker I knew. This is obviously going to increase dramatically the next few levels, as experience required keeps climbing =\

[Trimpton]

Yah that makes sense then I pay 1.5-2k on my server for scorp arrow stacks. Another 5.5-6k for stack of blink and I like buying two stacks of food so thats 4.5k.

Chisum -
I did not say THF gear is dmg directly related to gear... (there is no reason a thf shouldnt have top of the line gear since they can farm coffers.)

RNG dmg is directly related to gear... The more RAcc and the better arrows and bows you use will significantly alter your dmg. Hence one of the reasons ranger is so exp. Its not just the arrows but if you dont keep up with the 50k - 70k - 120k (on my server) bows your dmg will be significantly lower.

I want to know how this guy was saying he spent more on WHM and BLM then Rng.

And it should cost ya about 20k per level now post 51+ 10k+ per level. Least I go through atleast 2k arrows now.

[Kenki]

I keep my BLM and WHM with food. Pies and Juice so they will not run out of MP in a critical fight (I can make my own food). I also buy +1 wand for them and most of the spells for them (nope I don't have 200k for Erase). I do find the cost of BLM per level is about 5~20k (after 30) and Whm is a bit cheaper. Rangers' bow are expensive but for every time you ungrade your bow you can sell the old ones back (unless you are like me keeping all the bows/armor for fun, yeah I keep my Power/Great bow +1 in my mule and all warrior/bst/nin related armor from lv 7~30)

I think the money you spend per level heavily depends on your party. I spent about 11 stacks of scorpion arrows and about 10 mithkabobs from lv 40 to 42. I found that's pretty cheap compare to many of the +10k per spell for BLM. However, I know I don't have enough money for rng/nin I go rng/war ^^ so I'm relatively cheaper in many ways, plus I want to have beserk~!

[blueoakleyz]

so help us wanna be rangers out... where/ how do we farm well? enough to support ranger?

[raidenn]

Why play a job you cant afford?? Because they're paying to play it, if you have complaints about it, play by yourself and mind your own business.

Some people have lousy equipment, thats their problem. You got good equipment , woopty doo. End of story. If you complain about their equipment and say they cant play the job because they cant afford the best equipment, then you might as well pay and play their account for them. If you dont intend to help them out with gil or equipment, you might as well suck it up and mind your own business.

Everyone knows the importance of good equipment and the price you have to pay for that. Ranger isnt a basic job, its an advanced job, everyone who got that job probably got a level 30 job wherein in some point in time, they made purchases on better equipment. It is quite shallow if you think that some people do it intentionally.

And as for ranger hate, read www.gamefaqs hate guide. It will explain how hate is accumulated and why you shouldnt use Barrage when the mob arrives. Be more respectful to Plds, they take blows for you, so what if they cant hold hate that long ? Cant you blame them for the damage SE has configured on your jobs? Let him get a bit more hate by the 2nd provoke and flash, then unleash your attacks.

[poweryoga]

If someone is going to have absolute crap equipment and thus detract from my gaming experience, it damn well affects me. I have all the best equipment minus the million dollar ones, and if our whm doesn't bother to update his equipment so that he's wearing a bone hairpin with linen robe at lvl 64, it affects me. Why? I can't pull as much because he's always out of mp. Same goes for Drgs and whatever other players.... if you don't at least have decent equipment it takes away from my gaming experience as well.

Their lousy equipment is their problem, WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN A PARTY WITH ME.