Ranger/Thief is Not Best combo.

[aruba]

Hello guys. This topic is to show ppl that ranger/thief is not as good as other sub jobs like warrior, samurai and ninja. you guys can post any thought about ranger/thief here. i know some ppl aready gave out the thought about ranger/thief on other topics or reply but i will like to gather all the thought into one. why? its because i'm tired of ppl asking me why i sub warrior or samurai instead of Thief. It get really annoying and also it make me doubt about it too. So if you guys can give me a hand here that will be great. so i can just copy and paste this topic and they can read it why it is not the best sub for ranger. Also to clear the dex part for new player . Most of them thought dex will be the most important thing and i will like to clear it here.

here is some of the info i found on this forum that said Ranger/Thief is not as good as other sub. All credit goes to ppl who wrote this.

-DEX will not add damage and accuracy.
-DEX is not as important as STR and AGI
-Thief's Passive/Active Abilities not as useful as other sub.
-Evasion UP Abilitie. Samurai Heart Eye Abilitie can replace that also Ninja.
-Thief is only good for making Gil.
-Sneak Attack wront work with bow/gun
-Thief only add 1 more point of AGI than Warrior but Warrior give 4 more point of STR than Thief.

Thats about it. so Please take 2 min of your time and post a reply here. Please reply if you Agree or disagree or a link that give more infomation about this topic or any other thought you like to add. I'm here to clear thing up for myself and try to lead people to the correct path also to proof people that Ranger/Thief is not this best combo they can get. Again you can always do this Ranger/Thief for fun or making gil but we are talking about the BEST combo or Most powerful combo or most accuracy combo are not Ranger/Thief. Thanks in advance for people who is reading this and or post a reply here.

[Axl28]

I agree with what you have said.

I do think though it is wise for a ranger to level thief up to at least 15, to have it available as a sub for gil finder when gil farming, and steal and treasure hunter for hunting crafting materials.

Many rangers start out as warriors, and then sub thief after doing the sub job quest. This is a good plan as you'll earn extra gil while leveling the war up to 30 (to do the ranger quest), and will have the thief already prepared for any hunting you do as a ranger.

[Saikitsu*]

Not quite

Not all things about /THF for ranger is bad like you mentioned the gil boost which you will greatly need and after using sidewinder/slugshot (gaining all hate) it you can successfully complete a yokodama you will shift this hate off but it also results in you reseting your tp (considering when you change your ranged to melee). I hope this helps please correct me if im wrong.

-Saikah:spin:

[aruba]

hello Saikitsu. "Again you can always do this Ranger/Thief for fun or making gil but we are talking about the BEST combo or Most powerful combo or most accuracy combo are not Ranger/Thief."

So are u suggesting ppl to use Ranger/Thief as the best combo for Ranger? or most powerful or most accuracy? and also what things i mentioned that u disagree? here is what i mentioned:

-DEX will not add damage and accuracy.
-DEX is not as important as STR and AGI
-Thief's Passive/Active Abilities not as useful as other sub.
-Evasion UP Abilitie. Samurai Heart Eye Abilitie can replace that also Ninja.
-Thief is only good for making Gil.
-Sneak Attack wront work with bow/gun
-Thief only add 1 more point of AGI than Warrior but Warrior give 4 more point of STR than Thief.

Thanks axl28 ur reply its really useful. i thank you again for understanding why i posted this topic. your reply will lead me and alot of new player to the correct path.

[Axl28]

after using sidewinder/slugshot (gaining all hate) it you can successfully complete a yokodama you will shift this hate off but it also results in you reseting your tp (considering when you change your ranged to melee).

You do not need to switch ranged to melee. You have separate equipment spots for ranged and melee, so you will already have a knife equipped and wont have to lose TP.

A sub of thief is good with something like a Drk, because the yokodama works with their scythe. Because it does not work with ranged weapons and rangers are rather weak with their knives, I'm honestly not sure if the yokodama will deal enough damage for the hate to be transferred. I didn’t get a chance to try it in beta, but given the overall unpopularity of the thf sub for rangers, I gather that it does not work well.

Glad to be of service Aruba.

[DannyForgette]

This what you have for a Hume at level 70/35(RNG/?)

HP MP STR DEX VIT AGI
THF 1394 0 77 87 81 97
WAR 1484 0 83 83 81 95
from this you can see that war is considerably better becuase it has 6 more strength

As for ablities, warriors provoke, double attack(i think), and defender are useless. while berserk, and warcry rock(increased attack). resist virus and physical defense up are rarely used.

As for the Theif's abilities, they are all somehat useful. trick attack for when your rank isnt quite doing his job, sneak attack and flee for emergencies, steal doesnt hurt either(except that you have to move in to use it). the passive abilities are also pretty useful(san gravity resist) finding treasure and gil doesnt hurt either. eavsion up is only useful if the tank isnt doing their job.And as for gravity resist, i have never actually used.

Personally I would rather be a RNG/THF(for gilfinding and treasurehunter and the fact that our tank isnt the best in the world), but I think RNG/WAR is more conventional and overall more useful(you will also get more PT invites)

Thats just my 2 cents, happy shooting!

Edit: I just realized this, but wouldn't a ranger/theif make a really good puller with evasion bonuses and flee, but still be able to dish out pretty substansial damage.

[SAVAGE]

I thought STR which transfers to Attack isnt the same as Range Attack? Arent they 2 serperate things as it was explained in a different thread?

[OWA_900]

So, I want to eventually be a Ranger, First I have to start off as sumthin else tho right? well what Job should I start off as? a Warrior or Thief?

[zidane11]

Originally posted by OWA_900
So, I want to eventually be a Ranger, First I have to start off as sumthin else tho right? well what Job should I start off as? a Warrior or Thief?

I would say warrior because the strength +4 bonus is worth more than a theifs +1 agility. A theifs passive abilities aren't all that great just like it is said above.

[willyb_11]

If im not mistaken isnt it useful for you to get a high skill with daggers when your leveling your thief and then that skill transfers to ranger. Do rangers use daggers often?I ask because i want to be a thief to begin with because i like the idea of being a thief...rather than a warrior. I havent got the game yet but im thinking of becoming a ranger.

[zidane11]

Daggers are a rangers best weapon. Except ranged weapons. (duh).